HPR C5009 - 3 day build !!!

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  • ManuelW
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 756

    #16
    maiden run

    Maiden run of the boat was on saturday with really beautiful weather. On Thursday/Friday we did just really minor work like soldering antispark resistors or making a wooden boat stand. But Wednesday night it would have been already possible to make a test run.

    Here a picture of Chris at the maiden of his new HPR C5009:


    I set the boat up and adjustments of the drives/CG from my experience and knowledge with a set of Octura X442's. With these the boat performed already quite amazing with a top speed of 89mph. Beside this great performancy hardly any temperature from the components, especially the motors were almost cold although it had 35°C outside. Here a video of that run:



    For the last try of the day I mounted a pair of X447 Andy Brown and mounted my Holux GPS on the outside of the hull. Chris had a great respect so he took the camera and I had to drive the boat for max. performance.

    So everything was connected and checked before we taped the hull. I put the CG a little forward, didn't change something on the trims. But I really underestimate the 4-Pole TP motors with their low IR. They seem to have a really sharp throttle response in combination of the T180 ESC's. Timing was also just a mild 15°. But the acceleration simply was so high that the boat made a wheelie and flipped. I can definitely say it was not a flip due to high speed, also checked the complete log of th Holux on my notebook and top speed was just 79mph.

    Here a video of that try:


    So we simply couldn't stop with this result and go home. We rescued the boat and checked everything. Beside some little water which came through the linkages everything was fine. Boat was dried and the batteries charged while we put some grease into the linkages.

    For the last try of the day I was again responsible for driving and Chris took the camera. Meanwhile I also moved the CG forward from experience to compensate the higher speeds. And this time it was almost perfect and I could really give WOT resulting in this:


    On the GPS it noted a straight 101mph (also checked that at home on my notebook, was 161.6km/h). So a 100mph run on its maiden running day, not too bad for the fast build and the really cheap components.

    Now Chris is really happy with his new toy and enjoys running it:


    Have a nice day,
    Manuel


    Demnächst gibts dann weitere Fahrberichte und Ergebnisse!

    mfg Manuel

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    • Prop-a-Gator
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 163

      #17
      Wow! This is definitely a build for the instant gratification generation! I could barely keep up just reading the posts. :)
      Thanks for another great build thread - and with "budget" components. Impressive results too.

      Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk 2
      Disclaimer: I hereby accept the potential loss of motor, ESC, entire boat, or credit rating, and forfeit all expectations of success.

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      • alhaddad
        Junior Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 5

        #18
        Great work ......... Manuel

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        • scottw
          Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 49

          #19
          Another Great Build Manuel!!!

          You have just proven that the guys at TP are on a winner with there Motors!!!
          They would be happy to see your videos!!!

          regards
          Scott

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          • Grazacind
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 328

            #20
            Well that has just confirmed my plans to build a twin TP4092/2200 rigger on 6s. I have 2 FC 8s 300a esc's for it. I can wait after seeing that.

            Great build Manuel.
            Andrew
            Find it + Buy it + Twin it + Run it = WOOHOO

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            • keithbradley
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Jul 2010
              • 3663

              #21
              Great work!
              I wouldn't consider 15 degrees "mild" timing on those motors...aren't they 4 pole D wind motors?
              www.keithbradleyboats.com

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              • ManuelW
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 756

                #22
                Yes, these are 4-Pole motors but I'm not sure if either a 5.5D or a 3Y. But I drive my 2-pole LMTs with air gap winding already with 15° timing so the 15° for this 4-Pole motor might not be mild but still average. Want to do further test with increasing the timing to 18° and when that improves performance final tests with 22.50°.

                regards,
                Manuel

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                • keithbradley
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 3663

                  #23
                  I think the 2350kv is a 7D wind. Are they 40x74mm?

                  I'm not sure if you have tried lower timing or if 15 degrees is the only setting you have tested, but it might be worth it to try lower settings as well. I'm running my D wind motors at only 3 degrees in a similar speed setup with good results. I have found that when turning some of these high kv 4 pole motors at high RPM, sometimes the max RPM will drop with a higher timing setting, as if the the ESC starts to stuggle to keep up. The same phenomenon has been even more noticable with 6 pole inrunners. Lowering timing can somewhat correct the issue.

                  You obviously have a great running boat, I just thought I would share my experiences. If you try higher timing and it slows or runs hotter, you could try less and see what happens.
                  www.keithbradleyboats.com

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                  • ManuelW
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 756

                    #24
                    Hello Keith,

                    well no problem, its not that I know everything so I always like when people share their opinion.
                    And the 4050 is 40x82mm and so I think it either is a 5.5D or a 3Y. So far 15° is the only tested setting. But last Sunday we wanted to make some further testing, sadly the flex shaft failed.
                    So now she is in my garage again to get an upgrade to 5mm flex shafts and maybe a new coupler system. But I'll update the review here for sure!

                    regards,
                    manuel

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                    • KillerDave
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 370

                      #25
                      Fantasic work Manuel... This is my kind of build, You might see my build soon I sould be ordering my HPR in a few weeks.... I WANT IT NOW!!!! Anyway, I have some questions and but I will leave it for a PM as I don't want to go off topic.
                      Again, Great work...

                      Best regards,

                      David.
                      HPR C-5009, Riptide48, PaynPak 1/12, Miss Budweiser 1/8 Hydro, Miss Freya (own design 1/8 Hydro), HOR 32, Twin 380 HOR 32, Magin one

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                      • graill
                        Retired
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 389

                        #26
                        Nice speed build Manuel, great results.

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                        • MarkF
                          dinogylipos.com
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 979

                          #27
                          Hi Manuel, I have tested the TP motors and I found the shrink on the motor wires is very week and I burned a motor from the wire rubbing on the end bell. I sugest you add some good shrink to your motor wires especially were they exit the end bell and then zip tie them so they can't move. I too think 15 degrees is way to high. My 100 mph runs were at the lowest possible setting. These boats are already very fast and extra timming is asking for it. I would only consider moving the timing up if I was going for a record and was only a few mph off.
                          Mark

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                          • Chrisg81983
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 1556

                            #28
                            Once again very nice Manuel.....damn 3 days it took me that long to do the 6 hatch bolts on mine lol
                            my youtube videos http://www.youtube.com/user/chris81983?feature=mhee

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                            • ManuelW
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 756

                              #29
                              Hi Guys,

                              after some time it needs some updates in this topic:

                              @ MarkF: Jep I've seen that problem already but maybe TP have improved as the motors from Chris were quite "full" till the endbells but the motor wires had quite some shrink tube on them and came perfectly centered through the bore in the rear endbell. What worries me more, the threads for the front endbell were not really carefully machined and two of the screws got loose. For the timing we did not do further tests so far.

                              Sadly there won't be any further high speed attempts as my friend Chris lost interest and wants to make a show boat out of it. So from now on biggest prop used will be a set of X442's with speeds in the 90mph range.

                              Here a nice video of the boat:


                              Seems as I need to build another boat with the same setup for me to do some further testing as I'd be really interested to check what this setup is capable of.

                              regards,
                              Manuel

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                              • KillerDave
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 370

                                #30
                                Hi Manuel,
                                Can I ask what fixings you use on the hatch? I have tried to find them but don't know the name???
                                HPR C-5009, Riptide48, PaynPak 1/12, Miss Budweiser 1/8 Hydro, Miss Freya (own design 1/8 Hydro), HOR 32, Twin 380 HOR 32, Magin one

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