STEALTH SPORT HYDRO Nitro to FE

[Rumdog]

This kind of crap will likely ever keep me from racing. Soundsx soooooooo fun guys!

[Darin Jordan]

This kind of crap will likely ever keep me from racing. Soundsx soooooooo fun guys!

I just have to ask... what, specifically, is the "crap" you are referring to?? Is it the fact that we have rules, or the BS discussions that result from even mentioning them?? Not trying to be a smart ass... I really would love to know.

[Rumdog]

Its pretty obvious. EVERY time rules come up everyone that races gets their panties in a wad. Doesn't help that you seemingly intentionally tried to start up some BS here. Why ask a question you already know the answer to?

[Darin Jordan]

Its pretty obvious. EVERY time rules come up everyone that races gets their panties in a wad. Doesn't help that you seemingly intentionally tried to start up some BS here. Why ask a question you already know the answer to?

WTF are you talking about?? WHY do you guys keep suggesting I already knew the answer? Did you actually read the thread? I don't HAVE a STEALTH hear to measure, or I wouldn't have asked. I didn't know, and was wondering, because I am building something and was curious as to how other boats, like the Whiplash and the Stealth and the ML Sport 20 are dimensioned. WHY is that so hard for you guys to understand?

As for racers "getting their panties in a wad"... GO back and re-read... I am NOT the one getting wadded up... not initially. I simply noted, after receiving the answer to my question and doing the calcs, that the Stealth didn't meet the rules. I simply mentioned it, no commentary involved, other than mentioning that I have one coming and will have to correct mine as well.

Here is what really happens... everytime someone who races mentions anything about the rules, there is a group of non, or sometimes, racers, who start attacking those of us who take racing a little more seriously, almost as if you didn't read anything that was posted.

If you go back and read this, you'll see that it was ME that was attacked, and I responded.

This is why I have almost completely quite posting or trying to help. It get exhausting having to defend yourself all the time when you didn't do anything wrong in the first place.

[Rumdog]

I guess Darin and I are in this one together (everything is pretty much our fault anyway). We figured it out while measuring one of the 3 I have in the shop. No big deal, fix it, make it legal and race it like it's stolen. I wouldn't bother if I didn't think it was going to be a great boat.

I always find it interesting that people get pissed because of their own ignorance. It's ultimately the racers responsibility to make sure they conform to the rules they are racing under.

There was a whole bunch of bondo work going on to the bottom of about half the gas crackerbox field at the NAMBA nats last year because the racers assumed that hulls they were buying conformed to the rules and never checked them.

For the record, I didn't like the rule when it was written and I still don't. It's one of the main reasons I haven't bothered building any new designs for FE Sport Hydro.

In the mean time, anyone bringing one to the FE nats this summer has plenty of time to get it modded to make it legal.

I guess this post could be easy to mis interpret. I assumed "we" were him and you.
I guess I really dont give a F since I have no dog in this fight.

[JimClark]

I think I would rather pissed if I bought a boat, rigged it all up, then went to a national race and found out is wasn't legal. Isn't now the time to discover this and fix it before someone goes to the nats and gets ruled ineligible? No one cares if it is only for local races. Ya got to have some structure or it would be the wild west out there.
Chill out and tone it down "dudes"

Its pretty obvious. EVERY time rules come up everyone that races gets their panties in a wad. Doesn't help that you seemingly intentionally tried to start up some BS here. Why ask a question you already know the answer to?

[Rumdog]

So, there wer zero of these at the Nats this year?

[Darin Jordan]

I guess this post could be easy to mis interpret. I assumed "we" were him and you.
I guess I really dont give a F since I have no dog in this fight.

I can see where that might get confusing, but Brian lives in OR, and I live 165 miles north... This disussion took place AFTER I asked the question above... If you look Brian made that post at 10:30 at night... mine were in the AM, and, after we talked that afternoon, he measured the hulls he has in his shop... That's what he was referring to. I had already made my posts.

I really don't give a F either... and I DO have a dog in this fight. I can easily correct the situation. I mentioned the rules for the benefit of the other users of this hull... Perhaps caring enough to inform them was my mistake. I certainly did not post in this thread to start stirring up *!***!***!***!**. WHY would I do that? I OWN one of these boats! Now, if it was a boat I'll be competing with...

I think this discussion has been beaten to death. Nothing an extra .48125" of material added to the sides of the transom won't fix.

[Darin Jordan]

So, there wer zero of these at the Nats this year?

I believe that the boat was just released recently... Phil's initial post was 12/2011... way after the nats.

[Rumdog]

I built one last spring. They've been out for maybe a year now. I really did like the handling of the boat.

[JimClark]

I personally think it is kind of comical that the guys who already have the boats are all pissed that others are trying to help make them legal hulls. Olso think Mr Thomas missed a little info when he designed this boat. It should have been designed as a legal hullo in both organizations.

[RaceMechaniX]

I am pretty sure when Phil designed this hull he only had nitro in mind. It's legal for both IMPBA and NAMBA as a sport 20 hull. It's just the funky FE rules that make it illegal. Oddly the gas NAMBA rules are the polar opposite where they are very few rules and you can almost run a rigger if you sheet over the booms.

TG

[Namba328]

Why mess with the ride characteristics of the boat, when u could add a quarter inch to each side of the transom which isn't a ride surface and you won't affect the performance of the boat?

Like i said here ^. I do understand that the guys who own the boats that are already built feel like they are ruining what they already have built. I was that way when i bought my super sport 45 and ran it for over 2 years when the engine bay was found to be too deep. Now that boat is all apart and being completely rebuilt so it will be legal and be faster but still its the fact that the people who bought and built the boats already should be "exept" just due to the fact that now they are having to damage there beautiful paintjobs that most of them have worked hours on just cause they found out that the boat was illegal from factory. Its not fair to make them ruin all the hardwork they already put in to there boats just cause the manufacture mistakenly built the hull wrong.

[raptor347]

I don't think the manufacturer built the wrong boat. It was built for nitro and it's legal for both organizations in sport 20. Just because a bunch of FE guys bought/built them without making sure it conformed to our rules doesn't make it a bad boat. I didn't ask either, not a big deal to make it legal. If you aren't planning on going to a national event or record trial and your local club doesn't care, run it as is. Otherwise fix it and come to the big events.

I still think it's going to be fantastic with a minor mod.

[Namba328]

From what i knew phil produced these as FE sport hydros. Now i may be wrong but thats what i was under the impression. But im with u Brian, I think these will be a fantastic hull with the lil mod that needs to be done to make them legal.

You can add material to inside riding surfaces of sponsons. Inside riding surface of stealth is alot like the Whiplash.

I strickly feel the mod should be done to the transome not the ride surfaces, that way those who do these modifications don't change the performance of the hull's design. If the modifications are done to the transom, a non ride surface, it won't affect your stealth's design.