Apparition Project

[crystalclearvisual]

Hi can anyone help me im very new to this but very keen to learn,

I purchased a New Apparition twin hull Catamaran 2 days ago I am using 1620KV WATERCOOLED BRUSHLESS MOTOR which came with the boat,

I am also using a

Turnigy 180 AMP Water-cooled Electronic Speed Controller.
2 X 11.1 Volt 40C LIPO BATTERIES (2650mah) & series link lead for 22.2 VOLTS.
2.4 Ghz WATERPROOFED radio equipment.

I Took it out for the first time today and blow the motor up after 5 min, it completely seized up smoke and everything not sure why! The water cooling system was working fine a wasn’t blocked,

I now need to replace the motor and not sure what to get,

I wanted to increase my batterys to 35c (5000mah) to give me a longer running time but im worried about this now as I was only running it for 5min..

Overall im looking for performance with a balance between speed and run time can anyone help me with my setup and what I need to do,

Thanks very much..

[Make-a-Wake]

That motor is really made to run on 4s in that boat...........you may have gotten away with 5s, but on 6s with the stock prop, you didnt stand a chance.

A Feigao 8XL for 4s will work well and give you good speed.

EDIT: I was thinking your 1620kv was a 3660 with built in jacket..............looking at the pic, im not sure what it is, is it a 60mm length? If so, its still a bit small and the Feigao 540XL will work better.

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[Fluid]

The HobbyKing Apparition is designed to run on 3S voltage. You have doubled the voltage, stressing the motor greatly. The extra strain overheated it and poof.
Whenever you increase the voltage on a boat, it is very wise to reduce the size prop as well. But the real answer is to use an appropriate motor for the voltage you are running. A motor with a Kv of 1200-1400 rpm would be more appropriate for a 6S setup. Now that you need one anyway it is time to decide what voltage level you will use. If you want to stick with 6S then two alternatives come to mind. One is a Feigao 12XL sold here on OSE. The other is the Leopard 3674/2.5Y/1400 Kv motor. You'll have to search for that one. Either will be a pretty easy bolt-in to the Apparition and will give fine performance on 6S....but you will need a different prop. Something between an m442 (lower speeds, longer run time), an m445 (good compromise) and an m645 (high speed with run time probably limited to under 4 minutes).

It is always important to check any new setup for heat. Run the boat for one minute (use a stopwatch!) and bring it in and check the motor and ESC for heat. Run it for another minute and check...deep going until you are certain the boat will not overheat. Then you are fine until you make another change, like prop, motor, packs, etc. Better safe than to burn down again.


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[crystalclearvisual]

The Motor is 60mm in length and came with the kit which can be found here and im using a 38mm Prop as standard, thanks for your time..

[crystalclearvisual]

The HobbyKing Apparition is designed to run on 3S voltage. You have doubled the voltage, stressing the motor greatly. The extra strain overheated it and poof.
Whenever you increase the voltage on a boat, it is very wise to reduce the size prop as well. But the real answer is to use an appropriate motor for the voltage you are running. A motor with a Kv of 1200-1400 rpm would be more appropriate for a 6S setup. Now that you need one anyway it is time to decide what voltage level you will use. If you want to stick with 6S then two alternatives come to mind. One is a Feigao 12XL sold here on OSE. The other is the Leopard 3674/2.5Y/1400 Kv motor. You'll have to search for that one. Either will be a pretty easy bolt-in to the Apparition and will give fine performance on 6S....but you will need a different prop. Something between an m442 (lower speeds, longer run time), an m445 (good compromise) and an m645 (high speed with run time probably limited to under 4 minutes).

It is always important to check any new setup for heat. Run the boat for one minute (use a stopwatch!) and bring it in and check the motor and ESC for heat. Run it for another minute and check...deep going until you are certain the boat will not overheat. Then you are fine until you make another change, like prop, motor, packs, etc. Better safe than to burn down again.


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Hi Thanks for your help with this, I am happy to change the voltage because this is a new hobby of mine and will be purchasing new Lipo Batteries over the next couple of weeks, I didn’t really want to replace the Turnigy 180 AMP Water-cooled Electronic Speed Controller but as I understand this is quite good,

If by Reducing the Voltage and using the right motor and Prop will give me better performance then this maybe the may to go,

The Prop you recommended m445 is metal so this will need balancing which I haven’t a clue how to do..

Cheers matey

[Make-a-Wake]

If you are going to go with 6s, i would recommend this 4 pole 3674 motor, lots of torque and will run cool. 1300kv is right in the sweet spot for 6s

http://www.hobbypartz.com/96m811-3674--1300kv.html

4s, either a 540 8XL or 9XL

[crystalclearvisual]

The HobbyKing Apparition is designed to run on 3S voltage. You have doubled the voltage, stressing the motor greatly. The extra strain overheated it and poof.
Whenever you increase the voltage on a boat, it is very wise to reduce the size prop as well. But the real answer is to use an appropriate motor for the voltage you are running. A motor with a Kv of 1200-1400 rpm would be more appropriate for a 6S setup. Now that you need one anyway it is time to decide what voltage level you will use. If you want to stick with 6S then two alternatives come to mind. One is a Feigao 12XL sold here on OSE. The other is the Leopard 3674/2.5Y/1400 Kv motor. You'll have to search for that one. Either will be a pretty easy bolt-in to the Apparition and will give fine performance on 6S....but you will need a different prop. Something between an m442 (lower speeds, longer run time), an m445 (good compromise) and an m645 (high speed with run time probably limited to under 4 minutes).

It is always important to check any new setup for heat. Run the boat for one minute (use a stopwatch!) and bring it in and check the motor and ESC for heat. Run it for another minute and check...deep going until you are certain the boat will not overheat. Then you are fine until you make another change, like prop, motor, packs, etc. Better safe than to burn down again.


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That motor is really made to run on 4s in that boat...........you may have gotten away with 5s, but on 6s with the stock prop, you didnt stand a chance.

A Feigao 8XL for 4s will work well and give you good speed.

EDIT: I was thinking your 1620kv was a 3660 with built in jacket..............looking at the pic, im not sure what it is, is it a 60mm length? If so, its still a bit small and the Feigao 540XL will work better.

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The Motor is 60mm in length and came with the kit which can be found here and im using a 38mm Prop as standard, thanks for your time..

[penz]

I just ordered the apparition after much thought and research, looks like an awesome boat, and cant beat $190+$30 for esc... Looks like the stock motor can handle 4s well. I have a bunch of 2s packs that I run in my slash, so I want to run 2 in series and keep this rig 4 cell so i dont have to buy new batteries. From what i see on youtube it runs pretty quick on 4s. So my thoughts looking into the future when i want it to go faster....

Not going to run 6s... dont want to buy batteries, or deal with a dead boat (fryed motor/esc)...
So i want to keep running 4s but increase speed. I know not much of boats but do understand brushless systems. Im thinking of swapping out the motor to a 2000kv 4074 tacon. Modifications will be required but that is what this hobby is all about. Motor is higher kv and running same prop and batteries should increase speed. Being that this motor is a 1/8 scale motor it should hold up to the job...I run the 2150kv 4074 tacon in my 15lb lst and it never goes over 130 degrees, thats without cooling.

So I know im looking down the road a ways here but any feedback is good feedback.

[Make-a-Wake]

A buddy of mine ran the 3660 1620kv motor on 5s that came stock in his 32" Pursuit mono, he ran it with an x440 and it held up just fine pushing the boat into the 40's. He ran it several times then swapped out to a 3674 8xl. I'm not pushing anyone to try 5s, but first hand experience showed me that it can be done with that motor. It can surely handle 4s.

[satan_in_secret]

i just recommend turnigy tracstar 6 poles 2560 kv (4068 size) from HobbyKing.
it's a lot of torque but low cost. i run it on my 32" cat from R2Hobby

[penz]

I run the tacon motors in all my cars, they are great motors and very affordable. Best part is they are in the us so if i order one i get it in a few days. The 4074 2150kv tacon im going to throw in my apparition is $49 on hobbypartz... cant beat that.

[penz]

Im curious as to how much room is ava for batteries in this hull. I have a bunch of 2s 5000's i run in my slash, i know those will fit, but i also have 4s 5000's i run in my lst. They are only about 1/3 bigger than the 2s packs. If they fit I can run them in parallel and theat would give me 4s 10000mah! That would be some nice run time... Just a thought ill check it out when i get the hull next week.

[785boats]

I've run my old Apparition with 2 x 4s packs in the sponsons. Just had to cut a bit of the lip of the hatch opening away to get them in though.
Some of today's 4s packs ara smaller in height than the bricks I used to have so they should fit in more easily.
An 8Xl motor on 4s (2 x 2s in series) with an X440/3 blade got the ol' girl into the low 50's.
Cheers.
Paul.

[penz]

So you were running a 3 blade 40mm prop and and 8xl motor, is that the 1600kv model, and were getting around 50 mph?

[785boats]

Penz.
An 8Xl is 2075kv. A 1600kv Xl size motor is a 10Xl.
Cheers.
Paul.