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  • Darin Jordan
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    • Apr 2007
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    #256
    Originally posted by Bill-SOCAL
    Well, ironically you are doing what you are accusing me of doing. Having never seen the movie you are certain you know what he is all about. How about maybe watching the movie and then deciding for yourself what he is actually saying??
    Bill... I SAW "Bowling"... and after I found out all the facts, decided I don't give a rip what he has to say... I can think for myself... I don't need him telling me how he thinks about something...
    Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
    "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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    • Darin Jordan
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      • Apr 2007
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      #257
      Originally posted by RCprince
      Kudos to you, on the excellent job you and your wife are doing. My comments weren't really directed towards you although I did quoted you! They were more or less a sound off, just taking the opportunity to use your words as a conduit to counteract a certain mentality we have in this country. Where as we send our children to school to get a good jobs; what about sending them to school to make jobs or be independent!

      Well.. I kind of took it personally, sorry...

      I send my kids to school to learn the same basics we were taught when we were kids... unfortunately, the "everybody wins" mentality of our increasingly liberal education doesn't cut it anylonger, and we, as parents must increasingly take over to make SURE we have independent thinkers...

      I think what really upsets me is that WE are paying for this. If they'd let us keep our money and select the education we want for our kids ourselves (i.e.: vouchers, etc...), then they could do whatever they want with the public schools... but that's another argument all together...
      Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
      "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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      • Bill-SOCAL
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        • Nov 2007
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        #258
        Originally posted by Darin Jordan
        Bill... I SAW "Bowling"... and after I found out all the facts, decided I don't give a rip what he has to say... I can think for myself... I don't need him telling me how he thinks about something...
        Well the one had nothing to do with the other so I am at a loss to try to explain to you since you have made your mind up.
        Don't get me started

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        • domwilson
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          • Apr 2007
          • 4408

          #259
          Another interesting artcle.... http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cf...s-000003189879
          Government Moto:
          "Why fix it? Blame someone else for breaking it."

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          • domwilson
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            • Apr 2007
            • 4408

            #260
            Another interesting read... http://www.house.gov/financialservic...09-10-08v2.pdf
            Government Moto:
            "Why fix it? Blame someone else for breaking it."

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            • Darin Jordan
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              • Apr 2007
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              #261
              Originally posted by Bill-SOCAL
              Well the one had nothing to do with the other so I am at a loss to try to explain to you since you have made your mind up.
              Bill, so if I won't listen to Michael Moore, my head is stuck in the sand, eh???

              That's silly...
              Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
              "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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              • Darin Jordan
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                • Apr 2007
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                #262
                Originally posted by domwilson
                OK, but WHO is determining what is considered "meaninful"???

                In 1992, the Fannie May "regulation" reform was in part to "regulate" (force) the institutions to provide MORE low interest "affordable" loans and "regulate" (force) to the banks that they MUST provide loans to those who essentially couldn't afford them... THAT is a BIG part of what has caused this mess in the first place.... That's "meaningful" alright...

                Where is the part where the Dems BLOCKED the measures that the Republicans were trying to put into place to help prevent this from happening??? (we don't really need to bring up all those YouTube clips again, right???)

                I'll read the rest of this later, but that one really jumps off the page.
                Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
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                • sailr
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                  • Nov 2007
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                  #263
                  Do your homework. My wife works in the Mortgage industry. She remembers very well that in June, 2002 GEORGE W. BUSH issued a statement from the white house saying "everyone should be able to own a home" and that HE wanted the mortgage rules relaxed.


                  "In June 2002, President Bush issued America's Homeownership Challenge to the real estate and mortgage finance industries to encourage them to join the effort to close the gap that exists between the homeownership rates of minorities and non-minorities. The President also announced the goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5%."

                  My wife remembers that THAT is when the liar loans and the bad loans started. Fannie and Freddie up to that point would buy nothing but A++ paper, people with excellent credit and at least 20% down.

                  It's amazing to me how the GOP and your bloviators can twist and turn and distort and lie about the facts. It took me all of 1 minute to google the truth. Try it some time.
                  Mini Cat Racing USA
                  www.minicatracingusa.com

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                  • AndyKunz
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                    • Sep 2008
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                    #264
                    Originally posted by Darin Jordan
                    Bill, so if I won't listen to Michael Moore, my head is stuck in the sand, eh???

                    That's silly...
                    Well, he did make one good movie - Canadian Bacon.

                    I just wish he would stay out of view of the camera. He's just so self-promoting (I guess he has to be, nobody else would).

                    Andy
                    Spektrum Development Team

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                    • Bill-SOCAL
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                      • Nov 2007
                      • 1404

                      #265
                      Originally posted by Darin Jordan
                      Bill, so if I won't listen to Michael Moore, my head is stuck in the sand, eh???

                      That's silly...
                      NO, what is silly is saying you know and do not like what he said in the movie "Sicko" without having actually seen the movie. I was not a fan of Bowling either, but Sicko made some very good points the most important being that the government (meaning both the Dems and Repubs) essentially want to keep us stupid, sick, and scared in order to make it easier to control us.

                      One great line from the movie was when he was in France and one of the people he speaks with (a Frenchman) says that the main difference between the US and France is that in the US the people fear the government and in France the government fears the people.

                      I guess I am saying to try to separate the message from the messenger.
                      Don't get me started

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                      • Bill-SOCAL
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                        • Nov 2007
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                        #266
                        Originally posted by AndyKunz
                        Well, he did make one good movie - Canadian Bacon.

                        I just wish he would stay out of view of the camera. He's just so self-promoting (I guess he has to be, nobody else would).

                        Andy
                        He is not easy on the eyes that is for sure. But then again Rush ain't exactly eye candy either!!
                        Don't get me started

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                        • Darin Jordan
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                          • Apr 2007
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                          #267
                          Originally posted by sailr
                          Do your homework. My wife works in the Mortgage industry. She remembers very well that in June, 2002 GEORGE W. BUSH issued a statement from the white house saying "everyone should be able to own a home" and that HE wanted the mortgage rules relaxed.

                          Dude... Mine worked there in the early 90's... I WAS THERE! I remember when she came home and told me about the loans that their bosses and the underwriters were approving...

                          The paper trail back to Jimmy Carter goes WAY back... And again, you guys keep putting Bush up as the posterchild for conservatism! Give me a break!
                          Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                          "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                          • Darin Jordan
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                            #268
                            Originally posted by Bill-SOCAL

                            I guess I am saying to try to separate the message from the messenger.
                            Funny... because I got the message without ever having had to listen to THAT messenger... Like I said, I CAN figure some things out without Moore's help... And I don't need to see THAT movie to know what he's about... He does a good job of telling everyone that on his own...
                            Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                            "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                            • Darin Jordan
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                              #269
                              Originally posted by Bill-SOCAL
                              He is not easy on the eyes that is for sure. But then again Rush ain't exactly eye candy either!!
                              If that's the standard we are going by now, then you guys are in trouble... because Palin has it all over Pelosi and Hillary, and I'm sorry, but the Fox news women are WAY easier on the eyes than Ms. Maddow...

                              You guys are toast!!
                              Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                              "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                              • sjslhill
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                                • Apr 2007
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                                #270
                                • Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
                                • Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
                                • Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
                                • Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide h ealth benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
                                • Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
                                • Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
                                • Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer!!
                                • Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
                                • Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
                                • Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
                                • Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
                                • Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up ind ividuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
                                Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
                                • Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
                                • Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
                                • Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
                                • Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
                                • Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
                                • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
                                • Page 167: Any individual who doesn't' have acceptable(?) healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
                                • Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Ameri cans will pay for them!).
                                • Page 195: Officers and employees of Governme nt Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records!
                                • Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
                                • Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor are the most affected."
                                • Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
                                • Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
                                • Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
                                • Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
                                • Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
                                • Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
                                • Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
                                • Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
                                • Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals=2 0cannot expand without government approval.
                                • Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in20other words, yet another payoff for ACORN..
                                • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
                                • Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
                                • Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
                                • Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
                                • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
                                • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
                                • Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
                                • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
                                • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans......an ORDER from the GOVERNMENT to END YOUR20LIFE!!!
                                • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at=2 0end-of-life.
                                • Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
                                • Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
                                • Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
                                • Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.



                                Here' a link to the original article and a link to the actual bill as it sits:



                                The bill>>> http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...=f:h3200ih.pdf <http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.p df>

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