House health bill makes private medical insurance illegal

[Bill-SOCAL]

Steven, that may be what he says, but let's be realistic, not very many of his audience think that. Same with Beck, O'Rielly, etc. They try to hide behind calling themselves "entertainers" but nobody take that seriously.

[AndyKunz]

Guess I've been promoted to "nobody" status again. And lots of others here, too. It's a shame that smart people don't see it.

Look what controversey did for Jane Fonda's career.

Andy

[Darin Jordan]

Steven, that may be what he says, but let's be realistic, not very many of his audience think that. Same with Beck, O'Rielly, etc. They try to hide behind calling themselves "entertainers" but nobody take that seriously.

That's funny, because Olberman tries to hide behind calling himself a "serious journalist"!!

These guys/gals... on BOTH sides of the fence, have EVERYTHING to gain by saying whatever the most outrageous things they can... whether completely accurate or not... that part is all about $$$

If you rely on either of these sources for you information, then you are only getting the extremes... The reality and details are in the middle somewhere, and you have to find those for yourselves...

That's not to say you shouldn't listen to these people... they invoke ideas and paths that can be followed, but once you have the curiosity, get the facts for yourself.

If you do this, you'll find out which hosts are more accurate than others... and which ones are glossing over details to present a particular picture of what is "really" happening...

[Steven Vaccaro]

Steve how about a commentary on the MA system? How is it working? It is very similar to what the Dem's want to ram down our throats isn't it?

Jim

From the people that are using it, its working quite well. But how it works and how its being paid for are as you know two diff things. The Governor is making cuts everywhere he can to save and trying to tax the hell out of us at the same time. We just had a sales tax increase from 5% to 6.25%. It doesn't sound like much, but MA is so small and borders New Hampshire which is a sales tax free state. I'm literally 20 miles from New Hampshire, all my major purchases will be made there, from electronics to tires for my cars. Plus my food stocking up trips to the local Costco, will now be made out of my state.

[Bill-SOCAL]

The difference is that the Democratic Party does not recognize Olberman or Maddow as de facto leaders and spokesmen for their party. But watch the GOP Congressmen cower when they cros Rush. So are you saying that yhe GOP are such weak kneed Nancies that a mere entertainer can bring them to their knees? Really?

[Darin Jordan]

The difference is that the Democratic Party does not recognize Olberman or Maddow as de facto leaders and spokesmen for their party. But watch the GOP Congressmen cower when they cros Rush. So are you saying that yhe GOP are such weak kneed Nancies that a mere entertainer can bring them to their knees? Really?

Again... that's the MEDIA'S portrayal of what's happening... and we KNOW that they are mostly LIBERAL or for the DEMS... You don't see that portrayal on FOX, or at the Washington Examiner, etc... But you REALLY see it on Olberman and Maddow, etc... GO FIGURE???

I sure as hell don't think that Rush or O'Reily, etc. are anything of the sort... But you don't hear my side of the story on the news, DO you???

The same could be suggested about the town hall groupies for Obama that drool at his feet everytime he opens his mouth... You won't get that characterization on the news because it goes against their agenda, which is namely to make the Right look as bad as possible...

"Attention all planets of the Solar Federatation..."
"We have assumed control..."
"We have assumed control..."
"We have assumed control..."

[ghostofpf1]

You talk about finding the truth in between the lines from myriad sources yet for the most part regurgitate Faux News or rabid right wing email forwardings....show me where all this original thought is please....

Steve

[domwilson]

That's funny, because Olberman tries to hide behind calling himself a "serious journalist"!!

These guys/gals... on BOTH sides of the fence, have EVERYTHING to gain by saying whatever the most outrageous things they can... whether completely accurate or not... that part is all about $$$

If you rely on either of these sources for you information, then you are only getting the extremes... The reality and details are in the middle somewhere, and you have to find those for yourselves...

That's not to say you shouldn't listen to these people... they invoke ideas and paths that can be followed, but once you have the curiosity, get the facts for yourself.

If you do this, you'll find out which hosts are more accurate than others... and which ones are glossing over details to present a particular picture of what is "really" happening...

Very True...

[Darin Jordan]

You talk about finding the truth in between the lines from myriad sources yet for the most part regurgitate Faux News or rabid right wing email forwardings....show me where all this original thought is please....

Steve

Honestly, if that's what you think I've done, then you already aren't paying attention, and any further attempt to explain it to you would be a waste of my time...

There are real and valid issues/points/facts reported on Fox News, as well as on other more liberal news sources... So agreeing with some of them is bound to happen...

And again... you, like your "news" sources, like to attack those speaking, rather than attempt to discuss the actual facts and ideas... I guess it's easier that way...

[domwilson]

From the people that are using it, its working quite well. But how it works and how its being paid for are as you know two diff things. The Governor is making cuts everywhere he can to save and trying to tax the hell out of us at the same time. We just had a sales tax increase from 5% to 6.25%. It doesn't sound like much, but MA is so small and borders New Hampshire which is a sales tax free state. I'm literally 20 miles from New Hampshire, all my major purchases will be made there, from electronics to tires for my cars. Plus my food stocking up trips to the local Costco, will now be made out of my state.

Here in Calif. the state sales tax is 8.25%. Tack on the local sales taxes and it can be significantly more.

[domwilson]

Honestly, if that's what you think I've done, then you already aren't paying attention, and any further attempt to explain it to you would be a waste of my time...

There are real and valid issues/points/facts reported on Fox News, as well as on other more liberal news sources... So agreeing with some of them is bound to happen...

And again... you, like your "news" sources, like to attack those speaking, rather than attempt to discuss the actual facts and ideas... I guess it's easier that way...

Both sides go on the attack. Not just one. Some even attack Obama personally and try to tie it in, thru long stretches of the imagination, to Health Care Reform. Just like they did with Clinton.

[ghostofpf1]

I get my news here on OSE.....

Steve

[Darin Jordan]

I get my news here on OSE.....

Steve

And you are better informed, because of it!

[domwilson]

Here is a link from the white house on some of the myths... http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/

Don't know if any of this is true...

[sailr]

The point is, when these idiots like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage, Beck, etc. go so far off track that when reasonable thinking people don't like it, or agree, and should turn them off, they don't! They just keep listening and soaking up the B.S. If people would stop listening, these guys would dry up and blow away!

These guys are not entertainers, they are agitators. They are inciting the most radical out there to go do violent things. One guy that killed a cop is already connected to Beck's hate speech. WHY do we allow these despicable A-holes to continue to do this? Is that what you really want? I don't think so. I think most people, except the totally unhinged, really prefer factual and civil discourse. But then WHY do people still listen to this crap! Totally amazes me!

Steven, that may be what he says, but let's be realistic, not very many of his audience think that. Same with Beck, O'Rielly, etc. They try to hide behind calling themselves "entertainers" but nobody take that seriously.