Ammo

[AndyKunz]

Andy, aren't you being a little extreme here?
I have not the government invade my home with arms yet... although we don't have any privacy anymore these days, but that's a different ball of wax.

Actually I felt I was being a little soft on the issue.

There are so many parallels of this administration to Hitler's that I'm surprised so few people get it. Maybe it's because they don't teach the truth of how systematically Hitler went about taking absolute control of the people.

A little here, a little there. Next thing you know the Jews are in ghettos, then work camps, then furnaces. He started by limiting health care to the chronically ill, then the handicapped, then his political enemies.

The smart Jews who saw what was coming left Germany, then Europe, and finally came here. Many smart Jews said exactly what I quoted above. It cost them and their families their lives.

Andy

[detox]

I thought this topic was about grouping. We are talking about grouping.

[Ub Hauled]

Oh I see what you guys are talking about,
do you think that at this day and age it'll be ever
as bad as when Hitler was in power? I really don't think so.
It may be less free for all kinda thing but not ever a dictatorship.
This will not put a cap on how much you can buy, and if you have nothing to hide
you will be able to buy and shoot as much as you can afford.
That' how I view it at least... I guess I am a "half full" kinda guy.

[Darin Jordan]

I guess I am a "half full" kinda guy.

I'm a "clip" half-full guy...

[Ub Hauled]

I thought this topic was about grouping. We are talking about grouping.

nope, sorry, wrong thread

[Ub Hauled]

A little here, a little there. Next thing you know the Jews are in ghettos, then work camps, then furnaces. He started by limiting health care to the chronically ill, then the handicapped, then his political enemies.

Actually, I know a little about this, my grandparents left Germany during war and shared some of the facts... but I also know to let the past be the past, learn from mistakes and move forward, just because some of the things are happening now seem like what happened then, doesn't mean "Hitler" is coming back. My grandparents told me that SOME of the things he did for Germany was good at the time... of course, that was before he made a wrong turn somewhere and became power crazy...
Anyway, there are too many people watching the "Prez's" moves, for many reasons, for that point alone, I think nothing like Nazi Germany will EVER happen again.
But again, I respect anyone's opinions and will not try to convince anybody to convert to what I believe.

[Flying Scotsman]

Andy, I love you but that was the most assine answer I have ever read with a tongue in cheek in answer...I hope.... Some twits may answer your call

Douggie

[ghostofpf1]

All of a sudden the "Patriot Act" supporters are in an uproar ...

Steve

[AndyKunz]

Actually, I know a little about this, my grandparents left Germany during war and shared some of the facts...

My mother lived thru the whole thing, didn't get here until 1951. She still gets physically sick to her stomach when she is exposed to things she saw there (when I lived in NC, they had to take a roundabout route to visit me to avoid the more impoverished areas). She made a very difficult series of tapes about her youth several years ago. It took her several months to make only 2 hours of recollections. We have no idea what "hard" is in this country ...

I guess I could say one good thing is that we never ran out of any food, cleaners, or such growing up. We always had at least one more on the shelf.

just because some of the things are happening now seem like what happened then, doesn't mean "Hitler" is coming back.

My brother has been to Pakistan. Mushariff is not much better. Most of the mohammedan world is poised to repeat the Holocaust because (a) they deny that it occurred, and (b) they think it would be a good thing to eliminate Jews and Christians.

Next time it will cover the whole earth, not just Europe or America. There will be no safe haven anywhere.

My grandparents told me that SOME of the things he did for Germany was good at the time... of course, that was before he made a wrong turn somewhere and became power crazy...

I agree, and some of the things that will be done during the Obama administration will be good (I'm still waiting for one of them to be introduced, though). But that little good does not justify what Hitler did later, nor will it justify the plans that the Dems have for America.

I hope to post a WMV from a C-SPAN tape that I think will explain what their plans are. It's at home right now.

The good news in all this is that God's still on the throne. He already knows the end, and He wins!

Andy

[AndyKunz]

All of a sudden the "Patriot Act" supporters are in an uproar ...

Steve

And who would those be. I'm still as opposed to the Patriot Act today as I was when they were formulating it.

Andy

[Steven Vaccaro]

All of a sudden the "Patriot Act" supporters are in an uproar ...

Steve

Talk about stereo typing! Not all republicans are "patriot act" supporters.

[Darin Jordan]

I agree, and some of the things that will be done during the Obama administration will be good (I'm still waiting for one of them to be introduced, though).

He did just bolster the Food and Drug Administration, and is working to make our food supply safer... That's a good thing...

[Meniscus]

OK, I'm not getting into some of this stuff, but I have the following train of thought and follow-up questions:

Alright, so Obama's thought is, track the ammo and it will reduce crime. So, in scenario 1, a kid gets shot in an accidental driveby by a stray bullet. So, if the bullet was stamped, then we could trace it right?

Scenario 2, a shooting occurs and the bullets are not recognizable for forensic evidence due to the velocity smashing into bone/wall/etc., deforming any markings that would appear on the bullet. So, the investigators find shells nearby and assume that these shells are linked to those bullets.

So here are my questions: Are both the bullets (projectiles) and the shell casings going to be marked? And if only the bullets are marked, then what about shotshell rounds such as those for shotguns or home defense pistols shooting shotshells?

If only the bullets are marked, then is Obama promoting the use of shotguns and pistols firing shotshells by criminals and other gang-related groups?

On the other end of the spectrum, if only the casings were marked, then it seems simple enough to have a bag catch your spent shells or pick them up, then where would this idea be?

Bottom line? It's just another tax initiated to pay for other government spending that cannot be sustained.

Meanwhile, I've got rounds inherited from my grandfather when he passed away. Many of these rounds are the only few in existance to be fired through certain weapons and reloading is not available, you can't even get the casings. So what then?

Final thought, as dismal as it may be, if the government was able to restrict ammo, then criminals may turn to mortar rounds which are not that difficult to put together. Then where would we be?

Our right to bear arms and remain able to overthrow the government. That was the original intent of the Constitution as a final method of checks and balances.

Just my opinion though What do I know? LOL

[Ub Hauled]

Ben, no doubt that this has to be planned out, I don't know how they will be able to "mark" a round in any way, all I know is stupid people with guns promote violence against anyone... I think there needs to be a way to control the amount of guns/ammo out on the streets, remember, the bad guys have the right to carry guns as well, but they have other plans other then self defense.

[ghostofpf1]

Man some of you are sensitive...I didn't point anyone out and left it vague for a reason...
As far as this being "Obama's doing" these bills have been on the table since the bush admin...yet I see people erroneously blaming Obama as if he authored the bills to start with ...
Steve

edit...If you read http://www.ammunitionaccountability.org/Technology.htm you'll see that they intend to mark the casing and the round itself