John pilger: Obama is a corporate marketing creation

[AndyKunz]

Well Andy, dislike for political views is one thing. Outright hatred for one's skin color is another. You might not feel it, but there are many who do. Whether it be subtle or pronounced.

A bullet doesn't know what color skin it's piercing.

I hardly think the Secret Service is doing any more work because this President is not pure white. To think they are is an insult to them. The are constantly working to improve security, yes, but they would be doing that anyway. The rabid left would be accused of the same sort of hate if Condoleeza or Sarah or John were in charge, and they would be improving themselves then as well.

Andy

[sailr]

Andy,
It has been widely reported here in the U.S. that the Secret Service is on high alert because there have been an unbelievable number of death threats against President Obama. Most of them racial in nature. What a shame.

A bullet doesn't know what color skin it's piercing.

I hardly think the Secret Service is doing any more work because this President is not pure white. To think they are is an insult to them. The are constantly working to improve security, yes, but they would be doing that anyway. The rabid left would be accused of the same sort of hate if Condoleeza or Sarah or John were in charge, and they would be improving themselves then as well.

Andy

[Bill-SOCAL]

A bullet doesn't know what color skin it's piercing.

I hardly think the Secret Service is doing any more work because this President is not pure white. To think they are is an insult to them.

Then you have not been paying attention.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...t-Service.html

From that link:

Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service.

But at least Hannity gets it, it is the duty of every "Great American" to express his dislike through death threats:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/60922/hannity_defends_ted_nugent%27s_death_threats_on_obama/

[sailr]

Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Bill O'Reilly, Glen Beck, Todd Schnitt, Ann Coulter, etc., are all dangerous. They give the nutjobs out there 'permission' to commit violent acts! There already was a cop killed by one of these crackpots and it came out he was a radical devotee of Glen Beck. Someday, a violent crime is going to be committed and linked back to one of these hatemongers. When that happens, they should be indicted as an accessory to the crime. Free speech is one thing but inspiring others to carry out their crazy notions is not free speech. It is tantamount to yelling FIRE in a crowded theater when there is no fire.

Then you have not been paying attention.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...t-Service.html

From that link:



But at least Hannity gets it, it is the duty of every "Great American" to express his dislike through death threats:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/...eats_on_obama/

[wirenut67]

People who commit acts of violence do so of their own accord. In my own personal opinion, it is not the liability of the speaker to insure proper interpretation of the words. A case in point would be Adolf Hitler. I am very sure he would not have been the only one convicted and hung as a result of the Nuremberg trials.

Any statement made, by anyone, at any time, can be interpreted in many different manners. I believe if this were not the case the fundamental arguments between right and left would be far less. Both sides having the same ability to twist the words of the other.

In regard to death threats and the Secret Service. While it maybe true that Obama receives more threats than most Presidents, I doubt this would do anything but cause the Secret Service to be MORE aware. My experience with them would ascertain they are a highly professional organization, dedicated to their mission regardless of political concerns.

Mike

[sailr]

If you really believe that, I pity you. These hate speakers are what is called "enablers". Ask any psychiatrist. They get their listeners all riled up. They put the words out there and the weak minded that cannot sort out the hate from the truth are 'enabled' by these commentators. It validates and magnifies their own hatred which can lead to acting out violently. It is the ideas, misinformation, lies, and hatred that is planted in their feeble minds by talk radio. To the nutjobs, they are basically told daily that it's ok to hate and its ok to act out....without using those exact words. These talk radio TERRORISTS are despicable.

You don't know much about history. People followed Hitler because he brought them out of the great depression Germany was in. He put food back on their table and he told them they were the greatest people in the world. He didn't use hate speech like the talk show bloviators we have do. I lived in Germany for 5 years and became a student of their history. I had former Nazis working for me. So don't try to tell me anything about Hitler.

People who commit acts of violence do so of their own accord. In my own personal opinion, it is not the liability of the speaker to insure proper interpretation of the words. A case in point would be Adolf Hitler. I am very sure he would not have been the only one convicted and hung as a result of the Nuremberg trials.

Any statement made, by anyone, at any time, can be interpreted in many different manners. I believe if this were not the case the fundamental arguments between right and left would be far less. Both sides having the same ability to twist the words of the other.

In regard to death threats and the Secret Service. While it maybe true that Obama receives more threats than most Presidents, I doubt this would do anything but cause the Secret Service to be MORE aware. My experience with them would ascertain they are a highly professional organization, dedicated to their mission regardless of political concerns.

So you have inside information about how the Secret Service is or is not more 'tasked' than before? I guess all the news reports are just lies then. Go figure!

Mike

[Bill-SOCAL]

Well, in fact, you cannot always use the idea of freedom of speech to excuse what you say. Ask Hannity's buddy Hal Turner how that is working out for him:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/04/hal-turner-talk-radio-hos_n_211377.html

You see, it is actually against the law to incite violence and I think many right wing talk radio folks are treading dangerously close to that line.

Under Bush people were arrested for wearing home made T shirts saying "No Bush" and Hannity and the gang all righteously proclaimed this a good thing. Now they defend those who wear guns to Presidential rallies.

The March of the Hypocrites continues.

And while the Secret Service has a long history of professionalism and nobody is questioning that, I also think it is clear that they are having to work a whole lot harder than usual in no small part thanks to the constant drumbeat of hate and lies from right wing radio and TV.

[domwilson]

People who commit acts of violence do so of their own accord. In my own personal opinion, it is not the liability of the speaker to insure proper interpretation of the words.

People can and are incited to commit acts of violence simply by the words of others. We have many examples of this throughout history. The KKK, The Arian Nation, and a whole slew of hate groups. Certain religious groups can spur violence. Have we forgotten Jim Jones? In the 90's Rapper Ice "T" came out with a record named "Cop Killer" it was pulled because the fear of inciting violence against Police Officers. If you want an example that everyone has seen, school yard fights. How many have we seen escalated simply by the "egging on" of others? This is a real problem. This is why most municipalities have laws in place to address this.

[Flying Scotsman]

Quote "You don't know much about history. People followed Hitler because he brought them out of the great depression Germany was in. He put food back on their table and he told them they were the greatest people in the world. He didn't use hate speech like the talk show bloviators we have do. I lived in Germany for 5 years and became a student of their history. I had former Nazis working for me. So don't try to tell me anything about Hitler."



Hitler was not a nice guy, but those points are true up to hate. He did not like Jews, Blacks or anyone that was not of Aryan descent and Germany became a country of fear of the SS

Douggie

[domwilson]

People were dissatisfied with many things that Bush did. From both sides of the political spectrum. He has been cited as the worst president.. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120101509.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/

But I don't recall such widespread calls of "aggravation" from anyone at that time. Certainly not from the sensationalists at Fox news.

Why is that?

[domwilson]

Germany became a country of fear of the SS

Homeland Security? They even wear the same black uniforms.

[Bill-SOCAL]

WRT Bush, one major reason we never saw much in the way of disagreement was due to the fact that he insisted on pre-screened participants with pre-approved questions. So much for "Freedom of Speech". It amuses me to no end that Hannity and the gang had no problems with Bush filtering out anyone who might ask an embarrassing question but now egg on the fringe elements to express their freedom of speech in an open and confrontational manner.

One more example of the nearly endless hypocrisy of the right.

[wirenut67]

If you really believe that, I pity you. These hate speakers are what is called "enablers". Ask any psychiatrist. They get their listeners all riled up. They put the words out there and the weak minded that cannot sort out the hate from the truth are 'enabled' by these commentators. It validates and magnifies their own hatred which can lead to acting out violently. It is the ideas, misinformation, lies, and hatred that is planted in their feeble minds by talk radio. To the nutjobs, they are basically told daily that it's ok to hate and its ok to act out....without using those exact words. These talk radio TERRORISTS are despicable.

You don't know much about history. People followed Hitler because he brought them out of the great depression Germany was in. He put food back on their table and he told them they were the greatest people in the world. He didn't use hate speech like the talk show bloviators we have do. I lived in Germany for 5 years and became a student of their history. I had former Nazis working for me. So don't try to tell me anything about Hitler.

Enablers to what end? Give me a break. What an enabler is, is someone to blame for your own issues. rather than have the self discipline and fortitude to resolve issues for yourself.

I am so sick and tired of these cop-outs.

As for Hitler, I am very proud of you for having lived in Germany, and having worked with former Nazi members. There is no doubt Hitler gave Germany just what is needed, when it needed it. However Manson did the same for his followers.

If you believe for one second that Hitler never used hate speeches, you really need to brush up on your history my friend. Even moreso if you honestly believe that Hitlers rise to power was solely based on his promises to the German People. Ever heard of a group called the "Brown shirts?"

[domwilson]

These guys are sensationalists who will sell their own mother's into prostitution to get higher ratings. Knowing this, what makes people think they wouldn't sell out american civility for their own personal gain. All to often I'm hearing "What about me?" comments. Either illegal immigrants, or lazy people who don't deserve seems to be the argument or justification for such callous, uncaring responses. Doesn't sound very Christian to me.

[domwilson]

Enablers to what end? Give me a break. What an enabler is, is someone to blame for your own issues. rather than have the self discipline and fortitude to resolve issues for yourself.

Definition of Enabler from Meriam Websters Dictionary:
"Main Entry: en·abler
Pronunciation: \i-ˈnā-blər, -bəl-ər\
Function: noun
Date: 1615
: one that enables another to achieve an end; especially : one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by making it possible to avoid the consequences of such behavior"

So you can see, that encouraging others to act out and making excuses for it, qualifies as an "Enabler."