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  • Make-a-Wake
    FE Rules!
    • Nov 2009
    • 5557

    #61
    I would hope that the motor could run at 35k rpms which is what it would turn unloaded on 8s. Comments on the motor on hobby king has people running it on 10-12s in planes. However, i'm not buying into it running over 40k.......its just not a high quality motor.... sort of mid-grade. Make sure you prop it on the low side and use a full water jacket......the long one.

    http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/pro...ose-mjacket-XL
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    • FighterCat57
      "The" Fighter Cat
      • Apr 2010
      • 3480

      #62
      Originally posted by Make-a-Wake
      I would hope that the motor could run at 35k rpms which is what it would turn unloaded on 8s. Comments on the motor on hobby king has people running it on 10-12s in planes. However, i'm not buying into it running over 40k.......its just not a high quality motor.... sort of mid-grade. Make sure you prop it on the low side and use a full water jacket......the long one.

      http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/pro...ose-mjacket-XL
      Ah, so volt rating is in part based on Kv (max RPM).

      This could be a good cheapie to experiment with and most likely blow up at some point. Doesn't say max watts, so we'll see just how many watts can be squeezed out of it!

      I'm guessing using a short water jacket on an XL motor would allow some parts of the windings to overheat while other parts stay within operating range?
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      • Make-a-Wake
        FE Rules!
        • Nov 2009
        • 5557

        #63
        Originally posted by FighterCat57
        Ah, so volt rating is in part based on Kv (max RPM).

        This could be a good cheapie to experiment with and most likely blow up at some point. Doesn't say max watts, so we'll see just how many watts can be squeezed out of it!

        I'm guessing using a short water jacket on an XL motor would allow some parts of the windings to overheat while other parts stay within operating range?
        Somewhat i guess................ If it was a 5000kv motor it wouldnt have a 6s rating, whereas a 1500 most likely would.

        Probably in the 1000 watt range.
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        • FighterCat57
          "The" Fighter Cat
          • Apr 2010
          • 3480

          #64
          1k watts doesn't seem worth while or worth the extra $ for the setup. Was a fun idea though!



          Back to the 1521/1.5d setup; I'm thinking that this would make a great setup for the Genesis:
          6s2p 60c 10k, T180a, m445/447, possibly x452
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          • tiqueman
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Jul 2009
            • 5669

            #65
            I think your esc is only going to handle the 445. And Id imagine even at that, your esc is going to be about at its max in every way possible. Im not saying dont try it, but Id ease into it (prop wise) and see what happens..


            Originally posted by FighterCat57
            1k watts doesn't seem worth while or worth the extra $ for the setup. Was a fun idea though!



            Back to the 1521/1.5d setup; I'm thinking that this would make a great setup for the Genesis:
            6s2p 60c 10k, T180a, m445/447, possibly x452
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            • FighterCat57
              "The" Fighter Cat
              • Apr 2010
              • 3480

              #66
              Originally posted by tiqueman
              I think your esc is only going to handle the 445. And Id imagine even at that, your esc is going to be about at its max in every way possible. Im not saying dont try it, but Id ease into it )prop wise) and see what happens..
              Hmm. That was the Castle recommended starting prop. Perhaps I'll start with a 40, 42 then see how it goes from there... Thanks!
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              • tiqueman
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Jul 2009
                • 5669

                #67
                Originally posted by FighterCat57
                Hmm. That was the Castle recommended starting prop. Perhaps I'll start with a 40, 42 then see how it goes from there... Thanks!
                On the motor though right? The motor will have no problems swinging a 445 at all.... but your esc may not like it, and certainly wont like anything bigger. You will be pulling more than 180A.
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                • FighterCat57
                  "The" Fighter Cat
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 3480

                  #68
                  Originally posted by tiqueman
                  On the motor though right? The motor will have no problems swinging a 445 at all.... but your esc may not like it, and certainly wont like anything bigger. You will be pulling more than 180A.
                  Ah! Got it. I'm guessing the Hydra 180 has a much higher capacity than the Turnigy 180.


                  I have a Castle MMM that I'm not using. It's a killer car ESC. I wonder if I could adapt it to the boat?

                  Some conformal coating and a water cooled heat sink? (warranty void I know)
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                  • Make-a-Wake
                    FE Rules!
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 5557

                    #69
                    Originally posted by FighterCat57
                    1k watts doesn't seem worth while or worth the extra $ for the setup. Was a fun idea though!



                    Back to the 1521/1.5d setup; I'm thinking that this would make a great setup for the Genesis:
                    6s2p 60c 10k, T180a, m445/447, possibly x452
                    The 1521 1.5d would make it really move out nicely on 6s..............i too would watch the props and personally would never even consider a 452................

                    Be careful with the Castle..........its only good for about 120a
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                    • mudl
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 159

                      #70
                      Hello

                      i recived yesterday my Genisis.
                      First i want to test it with the original Hardware before i build it with two motors.
                      So here my Question
                      Has anyone a programming manuel for the original esc.
                      Maybe someone can help me

                      thanks from germany
                      mudl

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                      • Alfa Spirit
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 2131

                        #71
                        @ FighterCat57 : 10S is too much, 6S is good with a 1500kV motor like Feigao 580L 8 turns or 9 turns, if you want to run 8S you will need an expensive HV esc.

                        May be a twin setup is cheaper, 5S per 540XL/9 motor and 2 Turnigy 120A esc. The problem with twin are stingers they must be long enough, more than 10cm
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                        • FighterCat57
                          "The" Fighter Cat
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 3480

                          #72
                          See Alfa's post.
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                          • FighterCat57
                            "The" Fighter Cat
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 3480

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Make-a-Wake
                            The 1521 1.5d would make it really move out nicely on 6s..............i too would watch the props and personally would never even consider a 452................

                            Be careful with the Castle..........its only good for about 120a
                            The MMM? Yeah, I only see it at about 130-140 peak on the tell tale, haven't looked at the specs on it and don't know the constant.



                            The next question is drives. The 1521 is an 8mm shaft. The current drive is 4mm. Which might not be strong enough for the power of the 1521.

                            I'm beginning to think that a wire drive might work better. (Jeff, this is your queue)
                            Any suggestions?
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                            • Alfa Spirit
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 2131

                              #74
                              Originally posted by mudl
                              Hello

                              i recived yesterday my Genisis.
                              First i want to test it with the original Hardware before i build it with two motors.
                              So here my Question
                              Has anyone a programming manuel for the original esc.
                              Maybe someone can help me

                              thanks from germany
                              mudl
                              Here is it
                              Attached Files

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                              • mudl
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 159

                                #75
                                Hello

                                Thanks for the manual

                                For building the cat with two Motors i think also about drving 8s Lipos.
                                Maybe i put in two scorpion Motors .
                                But the problem is that 8s Lipo is in my opinion to heavy for this cat.
                                Better is to drive fast to make a light setup
                                Two Lehners oder tenshocks with 4s lipo for both motors
                                then i think the cat can reach over 80 mph.Maybe faster
                                I try

                                greetings from germany

                                mudl

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