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  • Steven Vaccaro
    Administrator
    • Apr 2007
    • 8720

    #91
    Originally posted by tth
    Steven do you have any further info on when the Datalogging 240 will be released?
    They said, Late spring or summer.
    Steven Vaccaro

    Where Racing on a Budget is a Reality!

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    • tth
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Apr 2008
      • 1510

      #92
      Thanks for the update
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      • INTERGRATING
        Junior Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 16

        #93
        Can you guys explain to me what the timing advance and PWM does?
        thanks.

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        • m4a1usr
          Fast Electric Addict
          • Nov 2009
          • 2038

          #94
          I am surprised no one has answered these questions yet? No one knows?

          The PWM switching rate is a function of duty cycle. Meaning that the higher the freq the more "on" time. And probably the best way to describe it is,

          Higher frequency = hotter ESC, cooler motor
          Lower frequency = cooler ESC, hotter motor

          Motor timing is about as basic as it comes. The lower the pole motor, the lower the timing should be. While anyone can argue their 4 pole Neu runs great at 7 or 10 degrees of timing advance its been my experience that heat increases in the motor as advance does. And if you visit the Neu website for recommended settings you will see that "D" windings should be set with a low advance setting, the "Y" windings should see more timing. Like above 10 degrees.

          Yet I run a 1521/ 1.5Y in one of my boats and no matter where I set the advance on my speedo I saw no improvement in speed. Just an increase in motor heat with the increase in timing advance. If your speedo has an automatic timing setting. Stick to that one. I dont know if I really answered your questions but if you want me to go technical in description on motor advance its no different is application of your own cars motor. The result is the same.

          John
          Change is the one Constant

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          • mappo
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 488

            #95
            Originally posted by m4a1usr
            I am surprised no one has answered these questions yet? No one knows?

            The PWM switching rate is a function of duty cycle. Meaning that the higher the freq the more "on" time. And probably the best way to describe it is,

            Higher frequency = hotter ESC, cooler motor
            Lower frequency = cooler ESC, hotter motor

            Motor timing is about as basic as it comes. The lower the pole motor, the lower the timing should be. While anyone can argue their 4 pole Neu runs great at 7 or 10 degrees of timing advance its been my experience that heat increases in the motor as advance does. And if you visit the Neu website for recommended settings you will see that "D" windings should be set with a low advance setting, the "Y" windings should see more timing. Like above 10 degrees.

            Yet I run a 1521/ 1.5Y in one of my boats and no matter where I set the advance on my speedo I saw no improvement in speed. Just an increase in motor heat with the increase in timing advance. If your speedo has an automatic timing setting. Stick to that one. I dont know if I really answered your questions but if you want me to go technical in description on motor advance its no different is application of your own cars motor. The result is the same.

            John
            PWM "pulse width modulation" in Lehman's term is just a modify Fm signal that is used for electric motors instead of the old Rheostat system. where a resistor type control was used.. A Pwm system allows a more efficient way of switching an electrical signal on and off without any loss in power.Rated in Kh . As for settings, a Y motor that has a lower kv rating will handle a higher Rate of switching than a delta motor. a lower pole motor will handle med. to lower switching depending on size of hull and prop. IE. load . similar to the old Brushed system where the motor had timing, depending on application.And the esc did not have any adjustments. Any extreme settings will generate heat so it is a matter of sometimes tinkering with the best settings for your set up
            Last edited by mappo; 04-23-2010, 09:27 PM.
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            • jcald2000
              Senior Member
              • May 2008
              • 774

              #96
              Anyone else who can't get their Swordfish 120 to run the UL-1 motor?
              I set the throttle travel per instructions and motor won't start - no beep, tunes nothing.
              Program Box has been set and is retaining program. Green led stays on.
              Trans on, ESC plug in to receiver, connect main power green light comes on then goes out and motor plays tune then 10 beeps and plays tune then 10 beeps and on and on.
              3 hours and nothing, I must be missing the oblivious.

              Any help out there?

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              • oscarel
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Dec 2009
                • 2129

                #97
                I had the same problem and it was still the throttle end point settings. Hold the throttle full open, plug in power. You will hear 3 beeps then during the next set of beeps, should be 4, move throttle to neutral position. You should now hear 2 beeps and it should be set.

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                • Rumdog
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 6453

                  #98
                  Try holding the throttle to full forward on powering up. Listen for 3 beeps, then release. That is how the hv 240 works,

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                  • jcald2000
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2008
                    • 774

                    #99
                    I have set the th. travel per the instructions more than 6 times yesterday on my Futaba 3PM 2,4 Pistol radio.

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                    • oscarel
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 2129

                      #100
                      It's not the transmitter trim you're setting it's the controllers sensing of throttle ends. This is from the 240 manual and assumes you do not have built in BEC. If this doesn't work then something is wrong with the controller I would assume. But again, I had the same problem only beeps, rudder controls I believe worked but throttle didn't. Also check out note1 below

                      B. Pistol style transmitter calibration
                      - Keep the switch of ESC in ‘OFF’ position. Correctly connect the ESC with brushless motor and battery
                      pack, plug the receiver lead of ESC into the throttle channel of receiver;
                      - Use separate receiver battery or UBEC to power receiver.
                      - Put the throttle to the forward full position, turn on the transmitter;
                      - Switch ‘ON’ the ESC, there are 3 beeps emitted from the motor, which indicates all electronics are correctly
                      power on for the setting.
                      - Then there are 4 long beeps emitted from the motor ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ .
                      - Move the throttle stick to the neutral position immediately after any one beep of the 4 long beeps. Two beeps
                      emitting out indicates calibrating is completed.
                      - Following two beeps are powering beeps, it is time to go now!
                      Note: 1)Recommend the ‘0’ position should not be set higher beyond the 50%.
                      Note: 2) Motor is needed to install for acoustic guide. Meanwhile, please keep the propeller away from human beings or any
                      objects.

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                      • jcald2000
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2008
                        • 774

                        #101
                        That is exactly what I have done more than 6 times yesterday.
                        Will start from scratch again tonight.

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                        • sailr
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 6927

                          #102
                          You have both a separate receiver battery AND the power battery hooked up?
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                          • jcald2000
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2008
                            • 774

                            #103
                            No, it has BEC. Just main cells hooked up. But just to check I pulled the red wire and hooked up a reciver pack, same thing.

                            Steve, does Hifi have an error code sheet? I an getting tune, 5 beeps, tune, 10 beeps then repeats.

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                            • Steven Vaccaro
                              Administrator
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 8720

                              #104
                              Jim I will pm you Michelle's email address Hefei
                              Steven Vaccaro

                              Where Racing on a Budget is a Reality!

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                              • Tuslow1
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 154

                                #105
                                I'm ready to start fixing my boats again and I'm really interested in the these esc's so a couple of questions will help me in my choices....
                                1. Will the 240's go in reverse? My pond has narrow ends and sometimes I need reverse, All I do is saw passes from end to end.
                                2. When will you have them in stock again?
                                OK, You Go First!!!

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