IMPBA D12 FE Racing in 2011 (MD, DE, DC, VA, NC) discussion

[Diegoboy]

...oops
I mean, Lets have fun GUYS!

[don ferrette]

2 heats. That really doesn't matter, because I represent the new and potential members for the IMPBA. Looking at a rule like that, it makes people seriously consider not joining, or buy into a dying technology since the rules favor that. Asking a question like that only shows you trying to discredit me so nothing I say matters.

On the contrary it does matter as my obligation is to those who want to RACE and have FUN. As for how you "represent the new and potential members for the IMPBA" .... nah don't think so. The rules do not "favor" squat, if that was the case then the FE's that ran last season would have gotten their collective asses handed to them which wasn't even close to reality. Sorry if you are sooo displeased with what the rest of D12, including our new FE racers, had no issues with but what matters is keeping the majority of the members happy. Furthermore, I don't need to "discredit" you as your own argument is doing that quite well since you won't be happy until you here exactly what you want. Bottom line- put on your big boy pants, come out and race and see how competitive it really is. You might just surprise yourself and even have some FUN along the way.

Done with this at this point, time to move forward.........

[Diegoboy]

oK Don, whatever you say. I wear little boy pants, I discredit myself and I don't want to race and have fun.

yeah right!

Remember, I'm taking shots at the rules, not you. But if you feel the need to stroke your ego by taking shots at me, go ahead.

[egneg]

There is a third choice ... add a cap bank!

[Diegoboy]

There is a third choice ... add a cap bank!

[Doug Smock]

Guys there is nothing wrong with the ESCs. We have had ZERO failures in the three years we've been running the classes. Some of you may recall our boats were fairly competitive.
Build your boats, practice getting around the course, and the rest will work it self out at the races.

See ya at the pond!
Doug

[hazegry]

that makes me feel better Doug I just hope my set up gets the same results if someone can find a way to pop a ESC its me lol. I have a cap bank so I will add that in and hope for the best. I am still going to cool it on the other boat until I get some lap time under my belt. I did buy a UL1 motor the other day so now I just need a esc and lower leg.

[carlcisneros]

well, for what its' worth folks. I run a JAE with a CMB VAC21 in it and was racing against Mike
and his JAE 21FE last season and had a great time doing it. His boat is very reliable until his radio system (read Futaba LOL) started to take a good old c _ _ p. I am in the process of turning my CMB 90 powered Insane Mono into FE for the up coming season. I have everything to do it ,just the temps in the garage are a bit too cold for me right now.

everyone accepted the FE folks and we all had a great time at the races.

I will still be running my 21 rigger and maybe the 21 mono, but am also working on an FE mono as well for the B/P combined class.

you will be surprised as to the performance of the little jewels on 4S.

Carl

Can't wait to see everyone at the races next year and see how it stacks up in the combined FE/Nitro classses.

[cybercrxt]

This is getting quite old. I just cannot believe the comments, rude remarks, and general lack of common reasoning I am seeing in this thread. D12 has done waaayyyyy more than necissary to try and make this work. What I am trying to understand is this detuning complaint. Half of the drivers, myself included, do not possess the skills to properly drive, and you want the highest of speeds on the course. Is this to cover up the bad driving so you can catch up in the straights. Yes, you heard me, new drivers need to learn to hold lanes and not hit things. How is that accomplished when the boats are overpowered? learn to drive first and you will realize top speed is not the answer to winning a race. Like I said, myself included as I am not a good driver. Another thing, max speed racing is what kills esc's, so if esc's are blowing, maybe we need to think about this. Sorry to be pissed, but this is just plain dumb to still be hearing this kind of talk. If you don't like the way things are, walk away, find another pond or hobby. Mike

[Diegoboy]

Ok. I will forever keep my opinions to myself and watch everyone else here have the freedom to voice theirs. (NOT)
Just because my opinion goes against the majority, doesn't mean that I have no right to speak it. I apologize to you directly Mike. Playing by the D12 ODMBA rules is what I have to do to race with them, but NO ONE can make me like it.

[cybercrxt]

Its not about the opinions, its the constant derogatory attitude. You seem to feel like FE racers are being held back and you haven't even experienced the races. If you would just get out there and race, these comments would quickly go away and the thrill of fair competion might make you wonder why you criticized the rules in the first place. The odd thing is these comments are not coming from the guys that race their FE boats every weekend. I have not seen them complaining!

[Diegoboy]

Mike, I am not in any way being derogatory to anyone. I merely stated my disgust of rule #6. By saying so, I have been attacked personally by others in this thread including the implication of childishness. If there was any derogatory attitude, I was the victim of it. BUT since my opinion goes against the majority, I'm the bad guy.
Will it be better for me to lie and say "Awesome set of rules here guys" and come to the table with animosity??

[Steven Vaccaro]

Ok on paper #6 looks bad. But they did let fe run with the nitro boats. I would have LOVED that if it happened around here. And would have gladly reduced my speeds to make it competitive.

Time to move this back on to the forum topic. Who's going to step-up to build/race in d12 so electric only classes can be added and rule number 6 can be tossed out the window?

[don ferrette]

Ok on paper #6 looks bad. But they did let fe run with the nitro boats. I would have LOVED that if it happened around here. And would have gladly reduced my speeds to make it competitive.

Time to move this back on to the forum topic. Who's going to step-up to build/race in d12 so electric only classes can be added and rule number 6 can be tossed out the window?

Well Steve therein lies the reality of it all, until such a time as we have the boat counts to do that we need to have some parity in order to give the FE boats a place to play. We could have just as easily said nope not interested and kept along the same path but we want to see the hobby continue to grow in our district. Danny is pounding the keys flexing his keyboard muscle like some horribly wronged person victimized by that "disgusting" rule #6 as he put it. Fact is nothing is further from the truth, we had some outstanding mixed FE/nitro racing in D12, so good that we should see our FE ranks no less than double in 2011. My ultimate goal is to grow this into something big enough to have FE only classes but like I've been saying repeatedly you have to walk before you can run. It's been no secret that I myself will be fielding at least two new FE boats to run in those very "parity" restricted classes that Danny is ranting about. If it was soooo unfair and slanted towards nitro then why would a long time hard core nitro guy like myself build FE's instead of just keeping with this phantom advantage and run my nitro stuff? DUH!! We've been trying to get that notion across to Danny and his pal Jason but it seems like we'd have better results talking to a wall. What we are doing is working and working well and will only help promote FE growth in our area regardless of this absurd agument being put forth. And lastly maybe ..... just maybe Danny might try a different approach like talking to us face to face instead of sitting there being his PC. What a novel concept.........

[Diegoboy]

What I am ranting about is the bias, and how YOU feel like I'm attacking you as a person.

everyone keeps talking about "moving forward" but all you do is keep looking back. Take that rule and see how it plays on any new member to the club and to racing. It is discouraging. If you want more FE involvement in the future, word your stupid rule to reflect fairness.
What's good for the goose...
Let me give you an example:
In the spirit of good sportsmanship, any boats having a noticeable speed advantage over the majority of the boats in the heat will be asked to detune their boats to ensure competitive racing. If they do not comply, they shall be disqualified from the class for the race weekend.
Same rule, more pleasing, and all I did was remove the bias from it. I guess thats rocket science or you guys simply cant figure it out.