Namba voting is open. Lets vote in sizes and get 2019 moving. Flame suite on :-)

[Steven Vaccaro]

http://member.namba.com

[Greg Schweers]

Did someone give a reason why the bearing is included in the overall length

[Steven Vaccaro]

Did someone give a reason why the bearing is included in the overall length

to me it would seem that the bearing being outside of the case, allows the rotor to be longer within the casing.

[Greg Schweers]

What good is a longer rotor if it’s sticking out of the stator?

[TRUCKPULL]

Longer Rotor and longer Stator with bearings sticking out of the ends.

Larry

[Steven Vaccaro]

Longer Rotor and longer Stator with bearings sticking out of the ends.

Larry

Yes Sir!

[GixerGuy1978]

Proposal #9
Although I'm a FE guy, this proposed rule says in section 16 -Race Organization G -Inspections -2 that; for example "If a 1st place finisher is disqualified, the other positions do not move up in points.
Then in section 6 -special class consideration Stock & G-Limited it says they would move up in points? Why is this class's an exception?

[Rookieboater]

Proposal #9
Although I'm a FE guy, this proposed rule says in section 16 -Race Organization G -Inspections -2 that; for example "If a 1st place finisher is disqualified, the other positions do not move up in points. [COLOR="#FF0000"]A position or points in a heat will not be change
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Then in section 6 -special class consideration Stock & G-Limited it says they would move up in points? Why is this class's an exception?

If second place(overall for the day) is found to be in violation and disqualified, the 3rd place finisher (over all for the day) moves up to second and the 4th moves up to 3rd. No points will be altered or changed do to any qualifications.

[T.S.Davis]

I have no horse in this race but I do have a question.

What 60mm motors were being raced? Were they winning?

[dethow]

OSE Raider 3660
Leopard 3660
SSS 3660
GoolRC 3660
And many others as 3660 is a popular size.

"Were they winning" is not a qualifying factor into allowing a motor to be run within the class. I believe the idea was to be as inclusive as possible for both now and the future without going over board by allowing anything over 60mm. Anything between 56mm to 60mm long should be a good motor for the class.

Could 58mm max work? Sure... today that size limit would add a couple popular motors into the class. But frankly those 2 motors are already allowed within the NAMBA rules with approval by the CD. They were allowed at the 2018 NAMBA Nats "Legally".
But what happens if those manufactures discontinue those couple motors or they just get extended to 60mm long with the same guts for whatever reason? A 60mm max length will be inclusive for many years to come based on the rounded numbers of 3660 being popular among manufactures. IOW... Chances of 60mm max needing to change in the future is very minimal. While a 58mm max has a "higher" probability of needing to be extended someday to be more inclusive.

At the club level... it's easy to change and I probably would have voted for that if I was a member of MMEU. The national organization they are involved with appears to be taking a different path. And that method of doing what works today with ease of changing is an "idea". An idea that could have different clubs running different rules and the host club for National Events may decide the rules being utilized that year. No one really knows... there is nothing in the rule book for any of what is going on there.

But that's not how NAMBA is structured. In order for a class to run at a National Event for "National Championship" status the class rules need to be properly proposed, board approved and voted on by the entire membership. At the NAMBA National Level... it's not so easy to make rule changes and thus IMO this is the right move in consideration of a National Rule Set. This NAMBA rule proposal isn't just about today and getting those 2 popular motors in the class without CD approval. This rule proposal makes the rule tech-able and thinks past the end of this or next season and into the future so these debates don't need to happen again.

I am so happy with NAMBA for stepping up and doing something. Thanks to all who have contributed to this process.
Hopefully this process can stay positive and just let NAMBA members vote without non-members attempting to stir the pot.

[Steven Vaccaro]

I have no horse in this race but I do have a question.

What 60mm motors were being raced? Were they winning?

I dont believe it matters at this point, but It would be nice if IMPBA adopted similar rules for cross organization racers.

[T.S.Davis]

Let me see if I understand. Cuz I want to.

When we talked 60 to 62......the consensus was that a 62 was going to be next level faster. Nobody in the US raced them but we all just accepted this as fact. 2 mm of motor was a game a changer.

The motors that are 60mm.......available today aren't winners. Would be legal but not that great. They aren't popular because they don't win. No offense. I have the chart so I knew what was available. Most of the winning motors are less than 58. These are the norm motor wise. What's going to stop a company from building a 60mm 6 pole motor that is a game changer. An additional 2mm of copper and watts. You guys know this is extremely possible right? Hell, its probable. Someone with connections could make this happen before summer. Surely we're not this naive.

I'll try asking it different. What 60mm motors were raced for wins? Not "what is available"?

[T.S.Davis]

By the way. I wanted 60mm. Someone pointed out to me the 2mm power thing. Now sure why I couldn't think of it that way before. I may give that guy a hammer for the next time I can't grasp something.

[Steven Vaccaro]

By the way. I wanted 60mm. Someone pointed out to me the 2mm power thing. Now sure why I couldn't think of it that way before. I may give that guy a hammer for the next time I can't grasp something.

Terry a size was decided and proposal brought forth. the members of Namba will then decide on what "they" would like to do as an organization by voting. If someone comes up with a 60mm motor with 59mm of coil/stator and 6 poles, good luck to them. They will be the next "Aquacraft/Proboat" motor in p limited racing.

[dethow]

Terry a size was decided and proposal brought forth. the members of Namba will then decide on what "they" would like to do as an organization by voting. If someone comes up with a 60mm motor with 59mm of coil/stator and 6 poles, good luck to them. They will be the next "Aquacraft/Proboat" motor in p limited racing.

EXACTLY! Where is the like button?

I was going to put it this way:
If a company builds a 60mm 6-pole motor then racers will upgrade if they'd like to. That's it… That's what will happen. And then there will be 1 or 2 motors which win the most races… just like there is now.

And BTW... The 2 most winning motors right now are 56mm 6-pole. So what IF someone makes a 58mm 6-pole motor? It will probably be better than the current winning motors. So why don’t we just make the rule 56mm?

At some point a line has to be drawn and 60mm is enough of a limiter so that the class doesn't turn into full P speeds. Going too small could require more changes in the future along with the possibility that RTR or ARTR offerings could have a 59mm to 60mm motor which we'd be asking newbies to go spend more money and change out. Let them get on the water, have some fun and figure out through talking to mentors that soldering isn't that hard if they'd like to upgrade and make their boat more competitive. Ask a newbie to spend more and learn to solder before they even do one lap... And they're gone.

A prime example of this is the Pursuit Mono which can be purchased from many suppliers ARTR with an SSS 3660 motor. There is a thread on this forum discussing the problem of lack of RTR and ARTR Monos to get Newbies started out. Going under a 60mm limit just blew that option out of the water. TFL Popeye is another example. It can be bought ARTR with an SSS 3660.