namba rules discussion....

[Jeff]

I have a question, are we going to use the Official NAMBA rule book for the FE nats or are we going to use the westcoast rulebook? If we are going to use the Official NAMBA rulebook, when will we be voting on amending the rulebook? At this time we could also have votes on other things. Just asking because this will need to be done befor June.

[Doby]

This should be an interesting thread if rules are going to be changed just prior to the FE Nats.

[Jeff]

They have too Doby. Just read the rule book.

[Doby]

Be a tad more specific Jeff.

[ron1950]

ya please tell us why we need to change all the rules? or which ones are u referring too?

[bozo586]

sounds more like someone starting trouble----one bad apple will ruin the whole barrel if given a chance,look around you-what's happened to fun in this country. rules,rules,and more rules! protect crooks-take god away- no guns all started by bad apples! keep crap like this going and our hobby will be gone too!

[Jeff]

Bozo, do you think we should not have rules? I am not talking about the 30 day rule, there is a provison to fix it in the rule book. I suspect that they won't actually follow that procedure but just wave a westcoast magic wand and take care of it. What I am talking about is the rule that the FE nationals can only be 4 days long maximuim. It is going to have to be changed. You cannot just pick and choose what rules you will follow. It is in there for a reason, it must have been voted on when it was added. My whole experiance with boat racing is rules,rules and rules. Some get to follow them and others not. I am just pointing this out so the right thing can be done before the nats.

[D. Newland]

Jeff-thanks for pointing out the 4 day deal. I actually didn't catch it in the other post.

I'm working on figuring out what happened here, but before I explain it, please tone down your incendiary comments (I.e. wave the west coast magic). I'm tired of it. Take a more productive and helpful stance, please.

When I and District 2 wrote up the FE Nat's section for NAMBA (which, I hope you agree was a good move), we actually had wording in there that recommended a 4 day event. It was not "concrete".

Our FE Nat's proposal bounced around through the Executive Branch numerous times, the Rulebook Chairperson numerous times, me and Fred numerous times and the District Directors as well. Many revisions/rewrites were done as we were trying to figure out the best way to merge with the already-present NAMBA Nat's section of the rulebook. It was not simple. Probably over 30 emails in my inbox alone.

What spun out of that is what you see and I must have missed the fact that it now has 3-4 days specified. I apologize.

I will research my notes to see where it got changed and work on a resolution.

Needless to say, the Michigan event is going to be a 5 day event. If you choose to allow it to be banter for your typical negative slant on this hobby, then so be it. Actually, no, don't. Follow my advice above. You're better than that...I hope.

[T.S.Davis]

Easy fix. It's not a membership vote issue anyway. It's a board of directors item. Fred's not on the west coat but he is on the board of directors so........I don't know.

Dave, Fred and I worked on this together. West coast rules is nonsense. Dave and I argued about the 4 round requirement more than anything. I don't even remember the day count. Had to look it up in the book. I've never been to a nats that was less than 4 days. How that ended up 4 days max I'm not sure.

If 5 days are too many for ya Jeff....pick one and skip it. Or skip it all together and go to the IMPBA FE Nationals.........wait.....never mind. We'll get it straightened out.

[Steven Vaccaro]

For years we have seen Nationals that could have been held within 2 days with poor turnout. Most participants have been local racers with the exception of a few extremely dedicated racers. So basically glorified club racers. no fault of the club, most likely due to a rough economy. So now that we see record turnout that requires extra days, we are still complaining? What am i missing?

[T.S.Davis]

we are still complaining?

Dingdingdingding The prize goes to Mister Steven Vaccaro!

It's just an opportunity to poke at the establishment.

I've been to both kinds of nats. Both have their merits. A little nats can be a lot of fun too. 2006 was small. I had a ton of fun. Won some classes but honestly so what. Without the big dogs there I haven't really won anything.

[Doby]

Just think how big 2015 might be if the word gets out as to how well this group of misfits organizes their events and this location.

They did good in 2012....did great in 2013.....no reason they shouldn't do fantastic in 2014..

[raptor347]

I'll do my part to help with scheduling. Scratch me from the three scale events. I'll just bring a cat and my outriggers. Easier to pack, cheaper to ship and saves some building time.

The other possibility is the "West Coast Guys" could just skip the event since we cause all these problems. That would help cut down on the heat count a bit and you could probably fit it back into 4 days. There are quite a few "West Coast Guys" who are reading this and wondering why they are making the effort, it was discussed quite a bit at the SAWs and 2-lap last weekend.

Lots of people read these threads but don't reply. Let's just say you've made an impression.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Dingdingdingding The prize goes to Mister Steven Vaccaro!

It's just an opportunity to poke at the establishment.

I've been to both kinds of nats. Both have their merits. A little nats can be a lot of fun too. 2006 was small. I had a ton of fun. Won some classes but honestly so what. Without the big dogs there I haven't really won anything.

Terry it seems as if people are upset at the way rules are followed or changed. Im not 100%sure what can be done about that. But I think with today's technology, most things should be done online. Like voting and such. I hate to come back to this, but with such a large portion of nitro racers, it seems they can be swayed to vote for things that dont effect them.

[Doby]

Could somebody please explain this West Coast Rule book thing???

I would like to think that its not a derogatory term that would discourage participation from folks on the actual west coast.

It does unfortunately sound derogatory though.