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So had this info been on the race flyer, you and your fellow cheese-heads would have been happy?
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We didn't put on the flier the "gen 2" motors either. Everyone that brought a "gen 2" motor was cheating.
I borrowed a boat yesterday for P limited mono. It had one of the crap motors in it. Perfect heats.Noisy personComment
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For god’s sake how did it even get to this point!?!?!
I know you guys are looking to stay on topic, but I have been indirectly drug thru the mud on this thread…
For anyone that doesn’t already know about whom the mystery motor belongs to, it was me (Mike Ball). There you go Doug and Jeff; you can spread my name around as much as you want. Regardless, I am not sure how this talk about favoritism is helping to solve the problem. Besides, everyone is still burning up motors anyhow; right? For the record, my stance on the subject hasn’t changed; before the nats, at the nats, or after the nats. I don’t/haven’t burnt up motors anywhere CLOSE to the frequency others have experienced. I know, I know… “special treatment/equipment” – TOTAL BS!
For a short background, I have been working with the AquaCraft Team on product development, product testing, and state of the hobby reporting. I have been maintaining this relationship since ’08-’09 (I don’t recall the exact date it was established). I would like to think I have “given back” to the hobby by giving honest feedback to those that request it; whether that was AquaCraft Management about their products or our local boaters on boat set ups, radios, batteries, etc. Nor do I feel that I have EVER pounded the AquaCraft Brand down any racers/clubs throats. I do my best to let my honest personality, and the performance of my boats do the talking.
About the motor; I will start by saying there was no mulishness, no deceitfulness, or deception intended by using the motor at the 2014 Nats. It didn’t immediately occur to me at the time of the event that using the motor would be an issue. If there was ANY inclination this was seen as an issue with a SINGLE racer at the event, I would have immediately changed motors. As a matter of fact, I am disappointed in myself for not recognizing this WITHOUT the need of someone else bringing their displeasure to the forefront months later. That was my biggest personal mistake (not recognizing the potential controversy)! I apologize for that.
The funny thing is I had a discussion about “the motor” with Mr. Peterson at the Nats. If I recall correctly, I even showed the motor to Mr. Peterson. I believed his comment was, “It looks exactly the same”. Nothing more was said about the situation. I would have much rather heard his thoughts on the situation then. We wouldn’t be in this situation if that would have happened. The way this particular subject is being handled is ridiculous. IF my motivation was to be deceitful, I would have never discussed these motors with Doug; especially Doug! Myself and many others already knew of his displeasure for AquaCraft. The conversation I had with Doug was only an attempt to communicate AquaCraft was working to bring the 2030 motors back to their original vintage that everyone grew to love. I had that same conversation with other respectable FE racers also. Terry has already mentioned that my performance with ALL of my boats at the 2014 Nats, was lackluster at best. It must have been the mot… nevermind…
This same issue was brought up a few months back on this forum. At that time, I call Doug directly apologizing and explained the same thing written above. I have stated my peace to Doug. I am certain our phone conversation was communicated to Jeff and anyone else in Doug’s inner racing circle. At this point those two seem to be the most upset and jaded. Evidently, that conversation wasn’t enough for Doug to understand there was no deceitfulness was intended.
Now, anyone that has been following this dreadful conversation about P-Limited mystery motor hopefully has the “who” on the mystery motor.
If anyone needs more explanation, has questions, or wants to channel their P-Limited motor anger at me; feel free to contact me via PM and I will supply my phone number. I will be glad to have an ACTUAL person to person discussion on the phone.
Later,
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awesome response ball..funny how people try and throw others under the buss to make themselves look better..though we all know better...its great to hear your side of the story...thx..now maybe we can move along with a decent conversation about motors..i applaud aq for making changes when it was needed..sure we still burn some up..but given we are trying to extract every ounce of power from them..im sure other motors will burn up also..Comment
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Did ya notice the date of the post? Over 2 months after the nats.
The flier should have read something like "in addition to the 36-56-2030 – 6 pole brushless motor, the 36-56-2030 – 6 pole brushless motor, and the 36-56-2030 – 6 pole brushless will be legal."
Mike and I argue about stuff all the time. It's usually over something we shouldn't even be arguing about. I will tell you this......he's painfully honest. Bordering on annoyingly so. haha He tells me the truth even when I don't want to hear it.
These weren't generational changes. They were basically lot numbers. A batch run. Again, only my understanding. Like when you buy floor tile and you get boxes from different batches and notice heyyyy wait a minute....these are a little different. I have two bar stools like this. Bought em together. We only found the difference when we were at the edge. The RTR market they were designed for never noticed a thing.
Darin, I have some SSS motors to measure if you didn't get them. Have to pick up another set of calipers on the way home. Mine are oddly missing. They're supposed to be 36mm but I don't think so. Looks over at a glance. Think they're too heavy too. Gotta check.Noisy personComment
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