Scale

[TRUCKPULL]

Terry

Why not just run a class called;
"S & T" Sport Hydro
No motor rules in that one.
Then everyone can play.

Larry

[TRUCKPULL]

Needs a lot of TLC, lol...

Ray
That hull is the same as my Miss Madison was.

Too short for 1/10 scale and way TOO short for 1/8 scale

Larry

[T.S.Davis]

Larry, that would make a 10s Backlash in the same class. That's what we did at the CanAm. Same boats we ran at the Cup where Schlarb jumped over the top of my boat.

[Doby]

Then call it 1/8 scale (ish) Open?

Any motor..any voltage,,,any 1/8th (ish) scale (ish) hull.

Remember, you said the intent is to get boats on the water.

At a club level event..who really cares?

[T.S.Davis]

We've already let guys run that we shouldn't have. Boats that weren't even close. The Proboat Elam for instance. Just wanted to get boats on the water. If we get too loosey goosey it's just sport hydro. Someone eventually will show up with something not even scale..ish. Then what?

Call it "T unrigger hydro" and run what ya brung?

Maybe this why I'm on the fence about helping keep it viable by supporting the class.

They need to be "scale" to be a "scale" class but my desire to be inclusive conflicts with the very concept of scale. Too loose with the rules and they're sport hydro. Too tight and it doesn't run because someones dims are off? Too strict on motor rules and it doesn't run? Too little motor rules and the boats become kites? No rules and it's not a class?

...............owe, my head hurts.

[don ferrette]

Scale needs to remain SCALE, otherwise it's just another sport hydro class. Anyone who knows me knows my love for the 1/8th scale boats. I've been running nitro 1/8th for as long as I've been in this and when the FE bug bit me it was in short order that an FE 1/8th scale was in the fleet. Built a really nice Elam from an ML kit that was fast and handled extremely well. At the time we were allowing FE and nitro together. After winning with it some of the nitro guys starting pissing and moaning about the FEs so they got split. Hit my current no more wings phase sold the Elam and built a new boat. Spent a LOT of time designed it's layout, setting it up and making it right. After a couple test sessions and one race I had it where I wanted it. Last race of the season I was running very fast and basically owned the class that day. Fast forward to the next (last) season nobody is entering FE scale and the class isn't making. Finally got one of them to admit they didn't want to race me as mine was much faster. So after it sat on the shelf all season I sold it since it wasn't right for such a nice boat to collect dust plus the extra cash would be helpful. Now one of the same people who wouldn't run against me is posting up how he'd love to run his FE scale but there's not enough in the district. Really??? WTF??? This isn't spec racing, I bust butt to make really nice and really fast FE 1/8th scale and the others get all butt hurt and won't run. I'd love to build another FE scale but why should I after that crap.......

[Todd Fleury]

I agree with you Don. You were able to make your boat a champion and follow the IMPBA rules.

[Doby]

Well...if we want to follow the rules...how many of us with 1/8ths have done this???

2. Registration Procedures
a. All boats must be registered with the District 1/8 scale Chairman.
b. The District Chairman will require the following information in writing:
I. Name, address and phone number.
II. IMPBA number.
III. Unlimited name, year raced, and number.
IV. Length and beam of prototype boat and model.
V. Prototype designer and boat colors.
VI. Must submit a photo of prototype boat.
VII. $5.00 initial registration fee and a $3.00 annual renewal fee due by March 1. The
registrant will receive a District Chairman approved form verifying current registration.
Approved form must be brought to all contests. Purpose of fee-monies will be used for
high point district trophy, postage, printing costs, and other expenses incurred.
c. Boat must compete at a racing event within one year from registration.

[Doby]

Is there a list of "District 1/8th Scale Chairmen" anywhere?

At the next race where 1/8ths show up...better have your receipts ready for inspection! Otherwise...no running for you...come back one year!!!! (thanks to Seinfeild)

[Todd Fleury]

The list is on the IMPBA website. I am sending in my information.

[Doby]

Found a "National Scale Unlimited" guy listed under the "National Directors"...but no "District 1/8 scale Chairman"

In D2 found a "D2 Scale/Sport 40 Director" guy listed...but again no "District 1/8 scale Chairman".

Kinda hard to register with someone that doesn't exist.

Unless those I found are to be considered the "District 1/8 scale Chairman"....but that's not what the rule says.

[T.S.Davis]

Never did any of that John. We didn't need to for NAMBA.

The question is do we require it to run? Supposed to. Is the class important enough to guys to get them to register? I s PAGS going to register all his scale boats for the one time he comes to MI each year to race 5 heats? How about temporary membership guys? Guys that are basically what we knew as SEI racers in NAMBA. Their boats wouldn't be registered and they aren't allowed to race?

Totally your point I assume John. Why get indignant about the motor choices if we're going to ignore 75% of the unlimited rules?

This rule is a chuckle too
$5.00 initial registration fee and a $3.00 annual renewal fee due by March 1. The
registrant will receive a District Chairman approved form verifying current registration.
Approved form must be brought to all contests. Purpose of fee-monies will be used for
high point district trophy, postage, printing costs, and other expenses incurred.

District high points? We've already established that there are no FE district scale heats anywhere.

These rules are dumb. Sorry guys. They're written like there are 30 of these in every district. There aren't 30 of them in the entire United States.

[Doby]

Don..I noticed you are listed as the..

"D12 Scale Director
Don Ferrette"

Is that for scale boats as listed in section Q of the rule book?

[Doby]

Terry..glad to see you are getting what I'm saying....

People like to quote rules, but who actually reads them?

[Doby]

I get that you didn't need that for NAMBA...you don't really need the IMPBA rules either for the cup as the race flyer can surely over-rule (!!!!) the "rules".