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  • ReddyWatts
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Apr 2007
    • 1711

    #1

    Delta or Wye

    The WYE motor winding is used in higher torque or higher voltage applications. Typically, DELTA motor winding is used in lower voltage or higher speed applications.

    If you take a Wye winding motor (1000kv)and change it to a delta winding motor you will see it change to 1732kv. You will see a higher kv motor with less torque. Torque will be reduced by 43%.

    Three phase motors come in two wiring patterns. It is called Delta because the three phases are hooked together in a triangle arrangement. Phase one uses terminals A & B. Phase two uses B & C. Phase three uses C & A. In electrical talk the phases are 120 degrees out of phase with each other. You could think of it as firing order in a multi cylinder gas engine. The Electronic Speed Control (ESC) first talks to or sends power to phase one. Then it waits 120 degree and sends power to phase two. And at 240 degrees it sends power to phase three. At 360 degrees (120 X 3) the whole process starts over again.

    Y wind where each leg of the Y is a phase and the center of the Y is common. Y wind typically has higher winding resistance as two windings are in series for each phase. This is why some controllers have problems with delta motors. Delta gives a lower voltage feedback pulse to the controller.

    I guess the delta winding could be used in a a lighter, lower voltage. high rpm setup or a hydro that does not require a lot of torque. The more effecient wye winding works in all applications and is better for heavier mono or cat setups.

    Anyone can chime in here. Something new I am trying to understand.
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    Last edited by ReddyWatts; 08-12-2007, 02:35 PM.
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  • SJFE
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Apr 2007
    • 4735

    #2
    Mr. Watts you explained that well. I understood it all and I'm not trained or in the field. Nice job. But man..you are WAY over my head....LOL :D. Thanks for the education though :). If it’s any consolation it makes perfect sense to me.

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    • ReddyWatts
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Apr 2007
      • 1711

      #3
      I always wondered about the Neu and Lehner motors that were either Wye or Delta windings. Which one should I use? Well, that was the way I understood it. I hope its right?
      Last edited by ReddyWatts; 08-12-2007, 02:30 PM.
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      • ReddyWatts
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Apr 2007
        • 1711

        #4
        Now I kinda understand the difference between a Y and D motor. What is the difference in a 1Y, 1.5Y and a 2Y Neu motor? Does it represent something or is it just a model number?
        Last edited by ReddyWatts; 08-14-2007, 06:01 PM.
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        Mean Machine - Feigao 540 14XL, 8s, 100 amp HV esc, X537/3

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        • ReddyWatts
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Apr 2007
          • 1711

          #5
          Example of the same motor wired delta and wye.

          NEU
          1521/1.5y = 1050 rpm
          1521/1.5d = 1850 rpm

          1521/1.5Y will handle from 8-55 volts and is a 90%+ effecient motor with more torque. Max effeciency amps 50.

          1521/1.5D will handle from 8-32 volts and is a 85%+ effecient motor with less torque. Max effeciency amps 90.

          All rating calculations between the motors have a 1.732 relational value between a Wye and Delta connection.
          Last edited by ReddyWatts; 08-13-2007, 08:14 AM.
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          Mean Machine - Feigao 540 14XL, 8s, 100 amp HV esc, X537/3

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          • robby76
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2007
            • 190

            #6
            ReddyWatts..thanks a bunch for the explanation & diagram. how well you explained that.

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            • Jeepers
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • May 2007
              • 1973

              #7
              ??????????????? My head hurts now, but I learned something:D

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              • skeeler
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2007
                • 198

                #8
                Neu Nomenclature

                Neu motors are named DDLL, where DD is the stator diameter, and LL is the rotor length, both in tenths of an inch. For example,

                1512 motor
                Stator diameter: 1.5 in
                Rotor length: 1.2 in

                (See this spec sheet, which, for some reason, I can't find on Neu's own site.)

                Now, can anyone tell me what the number before the D or Y stands for? Is it the number of turns? In other words, does the 1512/2.5D/S have 2.5 turns to each wind?
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                • ED66677
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 1300

                  #9
                  I'm getting back to this thread as I'm planning to get one of these nice motors, but nobody answered to the last question from Skeeler!
                  Does anybody knows what the number before D and Y stands for?
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                  • Raydee
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • May 2007
                    • 1603

                    #10
                    Its the number of winds from what I have been told. THe lower the number (winds) the higher the KV.
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                    • jcald2000
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2008
                      • 774

                      #11
                      It is the number of wraps of wire around each stator or the number of turns of wire around the stator.

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                      • ED66677
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 1300

                        #12
                        thanks!
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                        • ray schrauwen
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9471

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jeepers
                          ??????????????? My head hurts now, but I learned something:D
                          I agree mine too...

                          Still confused better go eat and then re-read...
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                          • Fluid
                            Fast and Furious
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 8012

                            #14
                            ...I guess the delta winding could be used in a a lighter, lower voltage. high rpm setup or a hydro that does not require a lot of torque. The more effecient wye winding works in all applications and is better for heavier mono or cat setups....
                            Wow, a pretty old thread! But looking at it again with two more years' experience I think the above is just a bit too simplified. To say that the WYE motor has more torque is not always true in the real world - in other words in an FE boat. An example would be two motors suited for 6S boats, the 1527/1.5D (1500 Kv) and the 1527/1Y (1250 Kv). In the same boat the DELTA motor appears to have a lot more torque, as the boat accelerates much harder than with the WYE wind. So in the same application, the D has the edge for raw power. The Y is a bit easier to drive as the power delivery seems more linear, due to the reduced torque.

                            To say that DELTA motors are for low voltage use is not quite accurate either. The 1527/3.5D (probably not available two years ago) has a Kv of 660 rpm, not very conducive to a low voltage setup.


                            1521/1.5Y will handle from 8-55 volts
                            1521/1.5D will handle from 8-32 volts
                            The difference here is due to the Kv, not the wind type. The 1521 motor is rpm limited, and the theoretical rpm at max voltage for each is:

                            1521/1.5Y = 58,000 rpm
                            1521/1.5D = 61,000 rpm

                            The maximum motor speed (due most likely to the bearings used) is 60,000 rpm, and the voltages listed above are the closest to that limit.




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                            • BakedMopar
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                              • Sep 2009
                              • 1679

                              #15
                              I know it's an old thread but I keep hearing that delta winds are amp hogs. Is it true and why is that? Given that each wind is in a comparable kv rating.
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