1/8 hydro on a budget possible?

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  • madmikepags
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Aug 2012
    • 1359

    #16
    Which boat is 11lbs?? the 1/8 scale or your 4 cell 1/16 scale boats???
    We call ourselves the "Q"

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    • circus162
      Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 91

      #17
      The 1/8 scale, I have no 1/16 boats, my smallest scratch built hull is 36"
      Rich

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      • madmikepags
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Aug 2012
        • 1359

        #18
        ok just figured if you took 1/8 plans and cut them down to 50% they would be 1/16 scale,
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        • T.S.Davis
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Oct 2009
          • 6221

          #19
          Don't want to jack this thread but what is a reasonable 1/8 scale weight? Thinking less batteries and motor etc.
          Noisy person

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          • madmikepags
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Aug 2012
            • 1359

            #20
            terry you saw my coors light run and it is 13-1/2 lbs and that is on the lighter side it was also underpropped by almost 2 sizes!!!!, my hamms bear weighs 18+ on 10s1p and 20+ on 2P (I don't need to run it on 2P anymore) His 11lb 4oz boats is very light (if that includes batteries)? Terry If you're looking to do a scale boat please call me!!!!!!!!
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            • circus162
              Member
              • Aug 2010
              • 91

              #21
              By reducing 50% I meant the thickness of the plywood. Where it called for 1/4" I used 1/8. For 1/8 I used 1/16. After reading my original post I see that I didn't make that really clear. Sorry.
              Rich

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              • circus162
                Member
                • Aug 2010
                • 91

                #22
                11lb 4 oz is RTR. Again It's not meant for racing. It's an inexpensive scale that I enjoy running.
                It is light, hence the smaller motor, esc. Nearing 50 mph she will start to fly.

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                • T.S.Davis
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 6221

                  #23
                  Originally posted by madmikepags
                  terry you saw my coors light run and it is 13-1/2 lbs and that is on the lighter side it was also underpropped by almost 2 sizes!!!!, my hamms bear weighs 18+ on 10s1p and 20+ on 2P (I don't need to run it on 2P anymore) His 11lb 4oz boats is very light (if that includes batteries)? Terry If you're looking to do a scale boat please call me!!!!!!!!
                  Mike, I'll buzz ya on my way home. Been watching a guys twin wings for about 4 years now. Think I got him talked into selling me one for a killer deal.
                  Noisy person

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                  • madmikepags
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 1359

                    #24
                    hey circus no biggie, light is good!!!!
                    Terry which twin wing? the bud by H&M?
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                    • T.S.Davis
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6221

                      #25
                      No it's an actual scale hull from a guy that makes them locally here in MI. Guys work is awsome. It's bagged carbon/kelvar with honeycomb in the sponsons at the stress points. Done up like the T PLus. It's master hull roster number 92102.5. I've seen it's younger sister race multiple times as the Circus. Runs really well. I think on FE it will be sick. The hull is currently assembled for nitro but I don't see that as an issue. I was conerned about the weight though. Stilll looking at that.

                      Jack'd! Sorry.

                      My 2 cents on budget scale.....it is more reasonable than it once was but these scale boats are such a commitment that I wouldn't want to risk an equipment failure. If you've done it right you've likely dropped a lot of time and effort into making a "scale" boat. For most of the guys that do scale it's a love affair. The boats matter to them. It's not a slap it together deal. Say I throw a big Leapord in a scale. It will push it sure but for how many laps? Is it going to eventually puke it's rear bearing on me and take a speedo and cells with it? Maybe. Maybe not. Is it worth the risk? In scale boat I don't think it is.

                      In fairness, I'm anti-budget when it comes to high performance. We have classes for the budget minded peeps. Not everybody needs to race the beasties. I don't own a T mono because I can't bring myself to scrimp on it. My budget wont allow me to do it the way I want. Cheap and high performance just don't go together. At least in my head they don't.
                      Noisy person

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                      • siberianhusky
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 2187

                        #26
                        I hear you on that one read the very first line of the post. I spare no expense on my other boats, and this one it would be all about the boat not so much performance, come to the conclusion that there isn't enough of a savings in one of these to bother going cheap. Heck I won't even bother with turnigy batteries or any of the TFL hardware, not up to the same level at all as Speedmaster!
                        Won't go with the Newton plans although I do love scratch building, Mike has put a lot of effort into redesigning his boats to work properly with todays power.
                        I modded the sponsons of my Newton Pay n Pak and 1/10 Wahoo to bring them more in line with more modern designs. The PnP is now dialed in and runs great. But I was wondering if my changes would work during the entire build! Didn't want to sink that time and money into a pig.
                        This build is strictly going to be for me, nobody to race a 1/8 against even if I wanted to, was really wondering if it was possible to trim a few hundred off the price tag but that won't happen, not enough of a price difference between leopard and the high end motors now to bother with a leopard IMO, even in the smaller stuff I'll spring for a 1515 before a leopard if its a full P build. I was impressed with my first Leopard until I got my first Castle. Exact same setup no changes the boat was faster and ran much cooler.
                        Looks like it will be a top shelf build and if it takes me a couple winters with the other builds I have planned so be it.
                        Probably won't be as overboard as my Wahoo build, that one even has functional wet sponson with scale drains, lol look in the sponson ends and you can even see fake fuel tanks! Sheeted the inside of the sponsons with mahogany so you wouldn't see ply on the insides! sponsondetail1.JPG
                        If my boats upside down then who owns the one I thought I was driving the last two laps?

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                        • T.S.Davis
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 6221

                          #27
                          Originally posted by siberianhusky
                          look in the sponson ends and you can even see fake fuel tanks! Sheeted the inside of the sponsons with mahogany so you wouldn't see ply on the insides! [ATTACH=CONFIG]85638[/ATTACH]
                          See that's what I'm talking about. That's a love affair. Nobody is looking in there to check your work.....................but you'd know. You don't sheet with mahogany because you have to. That's the kind of detail that takes a scale from race boat to .....holy smokes check that out! To lose it or damage it because you went with some cheapo piece in the build is IMO ludacris.

                          You're in Ontario. Bring one of your scales down for the Michigan Cup next summer. Dates still pending.
                          Noisy person

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                          • lohring
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2011
                            • 182

                            #28
                            My nitro Executone weighed 14.9 pounds. The latest electric version weighs 18.3 pounds. the difference is the "fuel"; a full tank of nitro weighs 1.2 pounds, the batteries weigh 4.9 pounds. It still flies, though.

                            First NAMBA Nats 2012.jpg
                            (Tyler Garrard photo)

                            Lohring Miller

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                            • properchopper
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 6968

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Fluid
                              There was an initiative about 5 years ago to somehow have a "Super Saver Class" for the 1/8th scale boats, but it went nowhere. At the time costs were still high and reliability stunk. With modern components/pricing it should be more achievable, but there is still the question of cost versus reliability. On a sport boat only run a couple times a month it is less of an issue, but on a racer which may put in over 6 hard racing heats a month....
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                              2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
                              2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
                              '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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