Twin Outrunners?

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  • Brushless55
    Creator
    • Oct 2008
    • 9488

    #1

    Twin Outrunners?

    I see motors getting smoked in these boats..
    has anyone thought about trying some outrunners?
    kv might be a bugger to match but......
    twin outrunners could be a great thing in this boat..
    .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s
  • Rumdog
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Mar 2009
    • 6453

    #2
    I think that part of the problem is that Venom is suggesting people run 4s on these motors. They are clearly 3s motors at that kv rating. This along with props that are too large is a recipe for disaster!

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    • Fluid
      Fast and Furious
      • Apr 2007
      • 8011

      #3
      I believe that Ryan is right. The stock motors have ~2850 Kv - that's far too high for 4S. Plus they are 380-sized motors, too small to handle high amperage/wattage. The props are relatively small, but then these are tiny motors. IMO the 'best' upgrade for performance is to a single 580-sized motor, or next-best and simplest to twin 380 motors of higher quality, like Neus or Lehners. I don't think that the large-sized Neus (1509, etc) will fit without major work.





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      • RCprince
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Jul 2007
        • 1637

        #4
        How about a good ole' BJ motor? it's proven quality and the original 60 amp esc is more than adequate.

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        • Brushless55
          Creator
          • Oct 2008
          • 9488

          #5
          so are there some outrunners that could fit the build?
          maybe 1600kv ..
          don't want to get into a debate about running 4s or 3s on the stock motors cuz they suck, but 4s on some good outrunners could be very cool!
          .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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          • Rumdog
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Mar 2009
            • 6453

            #6
            I truthfully don't know. I'm sure there is an outrunner that fits a 380 mount. A upgraded 380 size motor would be the EASIEST upgrade though. While keeping your water cooling simple. If I personally had the boat, i would tear out the electronics completely and add 36mm motors of my choice.

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            • RayR
              @SiestaKey.calm
              • Jun 2007
              • 1518

              #7


              All the best,

              Ray

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              • forescott
                Hopelessly Addicted to RC
                • Nov 2009
                • 2686

                #8
                I have the ekos and just got a set of ammo 380 sized motors to replace the stockers. I would love to use the 540 cans, but the motor mounts are too low and the 540 will hit the bottom of the hull. Especially with a water jacket. Gonna give the ammo 28-45-2700 a try. If that doesnt work, I'm gonna try a set of arc 28-47-1.5(2800kv) 4-pole motors recomended by a fellow ekos owner.

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                • Chris Nicastro
                  Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 81

                  #9
                  When running 4S with the stock motors you have to run the smaller props, 32mm dia. Thats been stated since the start and is OK. Is it a perfect set up? Yes and no but since we know people will try it anyway we took the initiative to say yes its been tested and it can do it but you need to know what your doing and you should work up to it. Its not a hammer down hold full power every lap around the pond set up so if thats a persons driving style that set up will not work for them. Also its stated in the manual to run 3S max. The 4S comments have been made on the forums and directed to the more avid boat crowd who tend to have more boating experience.
                  Another reason for the motors in the EKOS is cost and we decided to provide the best performance for the dollar we could so the product would be exciting to most of our target audience. The more experienced boaters will agree they never keep anything stock and always find ways to make anything go faster because stock is never good enough. Nothing wrong with that and that is the nature of the hobby anyway but its not a short coming of the product either.
                  In any case I'm interested to see what motor combos you guys test in the EKOS hull and how it works for you, speed, amps, etc.

                  Chris
                  VENOM RACING R&D

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                  • Brushless55
                    Creator
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 9488

                    #10
                    I you cannot hold the throttle at full tilt lap after lap, what is the use?
                    .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                    • NitroVal
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 423

                      #11
                      Originally posted by forescott
                      I have the ekos and just got a set of ammo 380 sized motors to replace the stockers. I would love to use the 540 cans, but the motor mounts are too low and the 540 will hit the bottom of the hull. Especially with a water jacket. Gonna give the ammo 28-45-2700 a try. If that doesnt work, I'm gonna try a set of arc 28-47-1.5(2800kv) 4-pole motors recomended by a fellow ekos owner.
                      I have a pair of 540s in mine... 36mm x 60mm and they fit with room to walk around..
                      The RTR Nightmare- Electric King of Shaves
                      Now with 540s- 62mph
                      New setup- Etti 150A's, Turnigy 2600s, 5S, X442s and a whole lot of cooling hoses

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                      • forescott
                        Hopelessly Addicted to RC
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 2686

                        #12
                        Are you using the stock motor mounts? If so what did you do to make the motor hole spacing work?

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                        • NitroVal
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 423

                          #13
                          Nope, I had to rip the stock ones out and fiberglass in new ones..
                          The RTR Nightmare- Electric King of Shaves
                          Now with 540s- 62mph
                          New setup- Etti 150A's, Turnigy 2600s, 5S, X442s and a whole lot of cooling hoses

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                          • Brushless55
                            Creator
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 9488

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NitroVal
                            Nope, I had to rip the stock ones out and fiberglass in new ones..
                            What motors did you go with?
                            .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                            • Simon.O.
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 1521

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Brushless55
                              I you cannot hold the throttle at full tilt lap after lap, what is the use?
                              If you are running above the manufacturers specs then there is no defence for running lap after lap. Some of these setups are getting close to SAW or suicide for the components. There is little difference anyway.

                              Originally posted by NitroVal
                              I have a pair of 540s in mine... 36mm x 60mm and they fit with room to walk around..
                              I'm with Todd here, what have you got in there

                              Originally posted by Brushless55
                              What motors did you go with?
                              What is your setup now.
                              Motor, pack, esc, prop ??
                              I may even twin my bigger Cat which is similar in size to the Ekos...... if your setup is agreeable with my $$
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