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  • nosreme722
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 181

    #1

    MG turning abilities

    Ever since i installed the kintec offset my MG's turning abilities have been greatly effected. Now it turns extremely well to the left, and takes a very noticable wide right turn. You can see in the pics the difference in full left and full right turn.

    Any ideas how to fix this? Thanks
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  • HYDROJERRY
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Jan 2010
    • 2503

    #2
    well i didnt use the kintech bracket built my own but i see yours has the same prob i ran in to,,,you need to turn around the little bracket on the rudder so it angles foreward not back,, i no it wont bolt flat cuz the rudder pin part so i just added some tinny washers to the front bolt and left the rear alone and that put a small gap inthe front of the rudder sit bracket so it dosent hit the rudder pin,, then youll get full turning ability!!!

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    • Peacock8
      Member
      • Jun 2011
      • 97

      #3
      Can´t you trim the servo so it corners equally each way?

      Ørjan.

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      • nosreme722
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 181

        #4
        Originally posted by Peacock8
        Can´t you trim the servo so it corners equally each way?

        Ørjan.
        Ive tried all adjustments on the transmitter, nothing. Ill try and see what i can do with Jerry's advice.

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        • Fluid
          Fast and Furious
          • Apr 2007
          • 8011

          #5
          Yes, the bracket is backwards. The attachment point for the pushrod needs to be at 90 degrees from the rudder pivot point. Most folks - including Darin - seem to have installed the steering horn backwards - too bad as this compromises their right turning ability. You can see the right way to do it below, although it uses different parts.

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          • nosreme722
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 181

            #6
            I dont have any idea what i did, well i took everything apart messed with it then put it back, but i seem to have reversed it? So now it seems as if it would turn better left than right? Its less noticeable though.

            Its easier to tell in person, i just took the pics with my phone. I would like to run it the way it is to see in person but i dont have a collet yet. I may just reverse the horn like you said and see from there. Thanks
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            • HYDROJERRY
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Jan 2010
              • 2503

              #7
              like Fluids,,,this is mine,,and i can do donuts to the left and wright!!!PS to do this youll need the front bolt to be a hair longer then the factory one cuz youll need a hair more length for the washer to be on it!!
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              • ron1950
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Aug 2010
                • 3024

                #8
                if u look close in the first post pic #3 it seems that the rudder bracket is not square ....that the rudder needs to be trimed alot off center to go stright.......
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                • nosreme722
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 181

                  #9
                  I think its the difference in offset braces.. you guys both used octura offsets (i think, well theyre not kintec anyway).

                  Your rudder is actually farther back than mine. Look in the pics when i reverse the horn it doesnt work at all. The servo would be completely forced to its max just to be at neutral.

                  Both times i left the servo at center, didnt touch it, and only reversed the horn on the rudder. Wouldnt work the way you guys are saying.. i think ill just have to make due
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                  • Darin Jordan
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 8335

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Fluid
                    Most folks - including Darin - seem to have installed the steering horn backwards - too bad as this compromises their right turning ability. You can see the right way to do it below, although it uses different parts.
                    Contrary to the statement above... I have NO issues turning right, or left, with my MG... it either has the throw, or it doesn't... Mine does. However, I agree that the horn would work fine in the position shown above...
                    Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                    "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                    • HYDROJERRY
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 2503

                      #11
                      Nosreme i think my servo is turned around with the servo arm twards the front of the boat not the rear,, maybe thats why yours wont reach,,ill double check mine when i get home from work tonight...

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                      • nosreme722
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2011
                        • 181

                        #12
                        I checked mine, it would be impossible for it to be the other way.. it was definetely stock this way but i may be able to tinker with and make it work but not sure.

                        Anyways, just from looking at it it seems better already but i havent run it yet.

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                        • M.M.
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 264

                          #13
                          Originally posted by nosreme722
                          I think its the difference in offset braces.. you guys both used octura offsets (i think, well theyre not kintec anyway).

                          Your rudder is actually farther back than mine. Look in the pics when i reverse the horn it doesnt work at all. The servo would be completely forced to its max just to be at neutral.

                          Both times i left the servo at center, didnt touch it, and only reversed the horn on the rudder. Wouldnt work the way you guys are saying.. i think ill just have to make due

                          Try flipping your servo over. So that the gear and servo arm are towards the front of the boat rather than the back. That should allow you to use the rudder bracket flipped like everyone is saying. And if you need to lengthen the pushrod you can just unscrew the baljoint.

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                          • Fluid
                            Fast and Furious
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 8011

                            #14
                            However, I agree that the horn would work fine in the position shown above...
                            That's good Darin, since geometry dictates that it HAS to work better that way. You'd have equal right and left throw if yours was set this way, which you do not now have. It is too bad that basic geometry was ignored when this upgrade piece was offered....the result is compromised results for those who want equal left and right turning . Not everyone is satisfied with wide, 70-foot diameter racing turns.


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                            • Darin Jordan
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 8335

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Fluid
                              That's good Darin, since geometry dictates that it HAS to work better that way. You'd have equal right and left throw if yours was set this way, which you do not now have. It is too bad that basic geometry was ignored when this upgrade piece was offered....the result is compromised results for those who want equal left and right turning . Not everyone is satisfied with wide, 70-foot diameter racing turns.


                              .
                              Jay, I'm not exactly sure where your issue is, but first off, I didn't offer this upgrade, someone else did, and I have no control over how far they offset their offset.

                              Second, with todays modern radios and servos, increasing the travel in either direction, isn't really that big of a deal.

                              Third, if you need more throw than that to make a turn tighter than 70-foot diameter, at a speed other than idling around off-plane, then you have other issues.

                              My boat, as shown in the race-prep thread I did, has equal throw, both directions, and turns as tight as I could ever need it to.

                              When I did mine, I was trying do as much as I could with the stock parts as quickly as possible, so I used what I had available. I wasn't trying to make this thing into a Porsche. I just wanted to hook up the stock steering.

                              If it's that big of an issue with you, them I suppose I could swap it around and post the pics, but, frankly, it doesn't concern me. It's a non-issue that has other means of working around. All I care about is making sure the rudder turns both directions. It does. If I have to increase the travel a bit to the left, that's simple enough to do, but I've never needed, or wanted, that much travel, so I haven't worried about it.

                              So THERE!!

                              Last edited by Darin Jordan; 06-23-2011, 05:11 PM.
                              Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                              "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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