** New Zelos 48 Brushless Large Scale Cat From Pro Boat**

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  • Rafael_Lopez
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2015
    • 470

    #31
    Thanks, it means a lot that I'm able to bring some progress to the brand.

    As far as a larger V, well as of now I hadn't been asked to develope anything, yet. The issue I see with it is that it would need to be lower KV and higher voltage, which presents an issue for the "average" consumer. But, you never know. I say this because it's typical that Vs draw more current with an equal system from a cat being that they're cutting through water displacing it, over a cat riding over it. Could you imagine the Voracity 36 internals in a 36" cat? Would easily do close to 60.
    Rafael Lopez
    Product Developer-Pro Boat
    My Facebook https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010183246751

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    • shua
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2015
      • 479

      #32
      So do you have a BlackJack/Miss Geico 36 in the works??

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      • Rafael_Lopez
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2015
        • 470

        #33
        Unfortunately, no.
        Rafael Lopez
        Product Developer-Pro Boat
        My Facebook https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010183246751

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        • Cottageboater
          Senior Member
          • May 2008
          • 779

          #34
          Two new very nice cats, two new very nice Vs, any chance a hydro is next? It has been a while. Keep up the great work.

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          • Rafael_Lopez
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2015
            • 470

            #35
            What I can tell you is that I have free reign to develope or look for viable new products that will suit the Pro Boat line, and will be successful. This means possibly sourcing products from vendors that hold high standards and can deliver what they promise. But, sometimes the limiting factor is bringing out new products that will impact existing ones.

            Trust me, I'd love to bring all the requests that I get to market ASAP. But sometimes, it doesn't make since to saturate the market with every product possible, at one time. There is a lot of inner structure within Horizon that limits products and their release.

            In little words, patience. I'm working on many good products to come. I'm listening to what you and the market, as a whole, is asking for.
            Rafael Lopez
            Product Developer-Pro Boat
            My Facebook https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010183246751

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            • Xtreme Thunder
              Member
              • Jan 2014
              • 34

              #36
              Originally posted by Rafael_Lopez
              Thanks, it means a lot that I'm able to bring some progress to the brand.

              As far as a larger V, well as of now I hadn't been asked to develope anything, yet. The issue I see with it is that it would need to be lower KV and higher voltage, which presents an issue for the "average" consumer. But, you never know. I say this because it's typical that Vs draw more current with an equal system from a cat being that they're cutting through water displacing it, over a cat riding over it. Could you imagine the Voracity 36 internals in a 36" cat? Would easily do close to 60.
              Thank you for the reply good Sir! Indeed, with all things equal, the Deep V's do require higher voltage for the increased resistance inherent with the Deep V design.

              Originally posted by shua
              So do you have a BlackJack/Miss Geico 36 in the works??
              Oh man, you took the words right out of my mouth for my next inquiry! This is what I was thinking was going to be the next release. Seriously though, a 36" Catamaran would be awesome.

              42" Deep Vee...okay, I'll stop!..., however, again, the Voracity 36" is an excellent size to handle some not perfect waters and I can't tell you enough how much of a blast that thing is to run with a little chop!

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              • 4343
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2011
                • 141

                #37
                will you make a 36 inch cat??

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                • Rafael_Lopez
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2015
                  • 470

                  #38
                  Not plans of as of now.
                  Rafael Lopez
                  Product Developer-Pro Boat
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                  • paulfromtulsa
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2013
                    • 211

                    #39
                    Rafael Is it the motor or esc that limits the boat to that small of a prop? Thanks

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                    • Rafael_Lopez
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 470

                      #40
                      Originally posted by paulfromtulsa
                      Rafael Is it the motor or esc that limits the boat to that small of a prop? Thanks
                      Quite a few actually.

                      I didn't include a larger prop or one with more pitch because I wanted this boat to be just fun enough, but not blow up after a few runs; out of the box. I don't like to run any ESC with no buffer. I could have brought the boat to market with a label that said 60+ on the box but that would have been nearing the ESC's 160A continuous limit. Not something I was willing to do. I rather leave 30-40 amps on the ESC for people to play with props. I think I've said this before, no manufacturer label's their ESCs at their maximum rating. We rate them at 80% of maximum, leaving room for the ESC to thermal before blowing up. So if a customer wanted to push the ESC to 160a continuous, they could, at their own risk, knowing it's running at 80% of its total amperage and risking burning it up. The ESC temps at 102* and the motor at 101*. It's not a hot system by any means.

                      The limiting factor that I found was batteries, honestly. I ran a X453/3 blade prop the other day to see if I could finally blow up the ESC. The ESC never went in to thermal protection mode but my LiPo temps did go up by 20-30* and the ESC and motor got up to 135*.Of course, I wouldn't recommend anyone doing this without knowing you are pushing the system beyond what we intended.

                      The motor we know is good to 10S. The ESC is too, but we limited it to 8s. It wont arm with anything over 8s.

                      That may not be the exact answer you were looking for, but I feel I have given you enough information for you to decide what might be the limiting factor if it were your boat.
                      Rafael Lopez
                      Product Developer-Pro Boat
                      My Facebook https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010183246751

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                      • Brushless55
                        Creator
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 9488

                        #41
                        Good to know you put headroom into this system for better life and for us to play with
                        .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                        • Rafael_Lopez
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2015
                          • 470

                          #42
                          We are definitely listening to our customers and learning from our previous experiences, coupled with the fact that our electronics are being proven to be far superior than anything we have used in the past.
                          Rafael Lopez
                          Product Developer-Pro Boat
                          My Facebook https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010183246751

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                          • jonesjj
                            Member
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 45

                            #43
                            Great explanation Rafael, I think you said it pretty clear and we can now play at our own risk with some example of what you have done already.

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                            • Tunda
                              Eh no steal my slipa
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 754

                              #44
                              Can you guys make another jetski please!
                              Hawaiian Tunda

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                              • Rafael_Lopez
                                Senior Member
                                • Jan 2015
                                • 470

                                #45
                                Boats landed yesterday. Checked them this morning, back orders will ship out ASAP.
                                Rafael Lopez
                                Product Developer-Pro Boat
                                My Facebook https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010183246751

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