Who wants to build a semi-scale all-wood micro hydro?

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  • Dr. Jet
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Sep 2007
    • 1707

    #1

    Who wants to build a semi-scale all-wood micro hydro?

    I've been away from the sport for a while, but I never lost my interest in the micros. Because of the way I house my boats when not in use, they don’t suffer much deterioration from long-term storage. I decided to get them up and running with modern radios and batteries recently, and I’ve been quite successful. I finished a couple of partially completed projects (the BBY Micro Hydro and the BBY Micro Scat Cat) and have a couple more “projects” that I may get to sometime in the future.

    I, like most of you, have that constant desire to always be building SOMETHING, and I’ve been wondering what that next something might be. Years ago, I built several of Garry Finlay's 1/16 scale designs. Many of his designs have been up-scaled to 1/13, 1/12, and even 1/10 scale. Garry's hulls always performed flawlessly. They were a hoot to drive, and they were FAST. I always liked his Atlas Van Lines hull; I thought it was the perfect mix of performance and elegance. I have his plans for the 1/16 scale Atlas in a *.pdf format and as an AutoCAD block drawing. I can't use the existing AutoCAD block for laser-cutting because of the way the block is comprised, but with a LOT of work, I could trace it at 1/20 scale with polylines and get it into a suitable format for laser cutting. This would make a 17.4" hull length. Alternatively, I could print his existing *.pdf plans at a reduced size to get an accurate 1/20 scale drawing for scratch-building.

    So here's the thought that has been going through my mind: How many people would be interested in building a 1/20 scale boat from an all-wood kit? If there is sufficient interest, I would produce an AutoCAD drawing based on Garry's reduced plans and modified to the appropriate material sizes and drive geometry, then have a bunch of kits laser cut. Garry will get full credit for the design; I would just be shrinking it to 1/20 scale.

    Yeah, you can get an Aquacraft GP-1 that closely resembles this hull for a hundred bucks (with a radio!!), but it’s just another mass-produced toy. How many people are willing to spend a bit more than that, plus the time and effort to build something that looks a thousand times better and meets SSSH rules (2S and under 18")? I’m guessing several will.

    Santee Sport Scale Hydro rules have changed over the years. It used to be 2S (previously 6 NiMh), with a maximum hull length of 18”. It has to look like a hydroplane, so ‘riggers are out. Lastly, we spec’d out a certain really cheap motor. That motor is no longer available, although there are many on the market that are “close”, so we simply eliminated the motor requirement. Yeah, you can put a pricey, high-tech, high-power motor in there, but you’ll lose runtime, gain weight, and seriously over-power these little hulls. These aren’t SAW boats; they’re tight-circuit oval boats. Put too much power in there and you’ll spend a lot of time upside-down.

    I think the best motors for our 2S setups with these little hulls are the 28mm outrunner helicopter motors in the 3000 to 4000 Kv range. We chose 2S to keep weight and costs down. Helicopter motors often have built-in fan-cooling, thereby eliminating the need for plumbing in an already tight hull, and the outrunners have the torque required to spin a relatively large (32mm max.) prop. Current draw for these little motors is low with our preferred 29mm props, so even a 30-amp controller without any additional cooling works just fine.

    So who’s up for it?

    Here are some links for parts that will work and will be the basis for my driveline revisions:

    Collet Coupler:


    Shaft:


    Strut:


    Rudder:


    Motor: It’s your choice here. See a few examples:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Green-14-8V...cAAOSw9eVXVpHH or https://www.ebay.com/itm/047-KV3600-...UAAOSwaNBUeV8I or https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tarot-450MX...sAAOSw7z1Z7waT
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  • JimClark
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Apr 2007
    • 5907

    #2
    I would have been interested but the good place to run smaller boats near me is now closed to boats so I now have no good place to run smaller boats which is why I have sole everything except one 1/10th scale.

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    • Dr. Jet
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Sep 2007
      • 1707

      #3
      Well, the CAD drawings are nearly complete. All the hard work is done. I need to find a laser-cutter guy that can do the work. I need to know how much kerf to account for, then add retention gaps and it's done. That may have been a lot of CAD work for nothing though, the silence is deafening.
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      • H&YRACING
        Member
        • Mar 2012
        • 35

        #4
        This is my GP-1. It reminded me of the Blue Blaster the first time I saw it. A simple wing and some graphics and there it was. Also the running gear has all been beefed up.
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        • Dr. Jet
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Sep 2007
          • 1707

          #5
          Originally posted by H&YRACING
          This is my GP-1. It reminded me of the Blue Blaster the first time I saw it. A simple wing and some graphics and there it was. Also the running gear has all been beefed up.
          I saw that Tower had the GP-1 for $100.97. I went back a couple of hours later and they were Sold Out - Discontinued. I would have bought one the first the time I saw it, but realized I have enough boats. I do want to build the Atlas though as it will look really cool. Where did you get the graphics for yours?
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          • Dr. Jet
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Sep 2007
            • 1707

            #6
            Parts layout:
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            • Dr. Jet
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Sep 2007
              • 1707

              #7
              Well. I ordered enough wood to build a prototype. Jeeze, balsa has become expensive.......
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              • Dr. Jet
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Sep 2007
                • 1707

                #8
                I'm going to do something different on the drive for this build. I successfully built a 1/32 wire-drive on my BBY Micro Scat Cat, so I'm thinking I will do something similar on this hull with the idea of reducing hydrodynamic drag and making strut adjustments simple and easy. Stay tuned for something I'll bet you've never seen before.
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                • Dr. Jet
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 1707

                  #9
                  Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control!

                  As I said in an earlier post, I've bought some wood to build a prototype hull and I'll post the build here on this thread. I've ordered some parts from Asia, so it will be a while before they all get here. I made a spreadsheet of the costs, and it looks like anyone here can have a boat on the water for about $250, excluding a receiver, a battery, and finishing materials. That would be with a conventional 0.098" flex cable drive and a plastic prop. I'm going to do a wire drive, but that will require a lathe and a 0.062 reamer to make a new nose piece for the strut. Some of the more clever here could get away with just a drill press to achieve the same result. The aforementioned $250 figure includes a motor, a coupler, a stuffing tube, an ESC, a strut, a rudder, a turn fin, a servo, all the wood, and the laser-cutting.

                  That's CHEAP for a quality scale hydroplane. How many here spend more than that on just an ESC for their 12S monsters??
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                  • Dr. Jet
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 1707

                    #10
                    I think all the laser guys must be swamped. I sent RFIs to three local laser guys and not one has responded. What's up with that?
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                    • Dr. Jet
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 1707

                      #11
                      Well, the closest laser guy finally got back to me. I modified the parts to account for the cutting kerf (0.005" for the ply parts, .0075" for the balsa), added the retention gaps, and sent the files to him. Let's see what he wants to charge me....
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                      • Dr. Jet
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 1707

                        #12
                        Well, I got the price to laser-cut all the wood parts. It's not cheap, but I designed in a lot of features such as precise-fitting parts, wing and fin pin locations, lightening holes, a motor mount, and a servo mount, that would be hard to duplicate with simple hand tools. Maybe I can get a break if I make more than one.
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                        • Dr. Jet
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 1707

                          #13
                          Here's a little update on this project: I have the wood now, I have the massaged AutoCAD files, and I have a price from the laser guy. I'll be dropping off the wood and the files sometime after the dust from the holidays clears. This project will take priority over the nano-hydro in another thread. For this build, I'm thinking the 1977 Blue Blaster. Does anybody have some suggestions for graphics? I've tried Mike McKnight for a different build, but it's been more than month since I sent him cash and all I hear from him (on the rare occasions when I DO hear from him) is "Maybe I'll be able to get to it tomorrow...."
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                          • Dr. Jet
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 1707

                            #14
                            So does anyone have a source for graphics other than Mike McKnight? I just filed a PayPal dispute because he doesn't return my emails and it's been about 6 weeks since I sent him cash for a graphics project. I've never done business with him before, but he obviously isn't very interested in my crummy little project.
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                            • cjs
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 322

                              #15
                              There are a lot of graphics people on the various RC dirt oval pages.

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