Converting from Lipo to Silver-Oxide

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  • Meniscus
    Refuse the box exists!
    • Jul 2008
    • 3225

    #16
    I'm working on it. I know the military uses some, but just have to get to the right vendor.

    And of course I'm not talking watch batts!
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    • properchopper
      rcgoatbuild@snotmail.com
      • Apr 2007
      • 6968

      #17
      Originally posted by Meniscus
      I'm working on it. I know the military uses some, but just have to get to the right vendor.

      And of course I'm not talking watch batts!
      Hmm.., now that you mention it, there was an older gent in the pits at the NAMBA Nat's last year who kept talking about some "secret" batteries used by the military that are way ahead of lipo's. He, of course, couldn't go into detail because of his involvement in this ultra-confidential matter :zip-up . Hmmmm....
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      • calcagno45
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Mar 2008
        • 1006

        #18
        Originally posted by properchopper
        Hmm.., now that you mention it, there was an older gent in the pits at the NAMBA Nat's last year who kept talking about some "secret" batteries used by the military that are way ahead of lipo's. He, of course, couldn't go into detail because of his involvement in this ultra-confidential matter :zip-up . Hmmmm....

        I've heard of such batteries as well, and their lack of flamability, hopefully these things are cheap and good!!
        My prop hasn't been wet in a while.

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        • Meniscus
          Refuse the box exists!
          • Jul 2008
          • 3225

          #19
          I'm sorry guys, but all indicators point to expensive I think it is a result of the silver content, not to mention new technology. However, when I get a few vendors to respond, I'll run both ends against the middle and do a bulk order. Perhaps that will help with cost :)

          The information I have provided is all available to the general public. No reason to keep things confidential. Unless......did you get a look at his batteries? LOL!
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          • Doby
            KANADA RULES!
            • Apr 2007
            • 7280

            #20
            So far I have not seen anything that would indicate that they are suitable for anything other than very low current applications.......

            If the military is still using them and wants no-one else to have them, then its unlikely the hobby, or any other industry will see them anytime soon in any capacity that would do us any good.

            Now, back Lipos............
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            • Meniscus
              Refuse the box exists!
              • Jul 2008
              • 3225

              #21
              No one said that they do not want anyone else to have them. They have just been in small production runs until now. I'm hoping they'll expand production so that we can get our hands on them.

              There was a request for specs and so I provided what I could put my hands on readily. There are higher current versions.

              But you're right Doby, for right now, we don't have them or the specs, but that's just a matter of time.
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              • egneg
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Feb 2008
                • 4670

                #22
                Zpower has developed rechargable batteries that will be offered in a "MAJOR MANUFACTURER'S" laptops this year. So I would think that this technology will move fairly quickly into other arenas as well. The only thing is going to be cost as Zpower is going to have a trade in process to recover the silver and help offset costs.
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                • Meniscus
                  Refuse the box exists!
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 3225

                  #23
                  Yes, I'm looking through my wife's jewelry right now!
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                  • marker
                    Member
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 38

                    #24
                    Silver Zinc cell were been used in fe 40 years ago in Naviga speed classes in Europe up till the time they were banned in the 1990's because of their cost . They have military uses like electric torpedos but the developement there is to Lithium based cells.Here a link to Saft.



                    Mark

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                    • Meniscus
                      Refuse the box exists!
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3225

                      #25
                      Great info Marker! This is exactly why I like the forum.

                      By chace, I know it's a long shot, do you have pictures of the batteries they were using 40 years ago? Do you know what company manufactured?
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                      • marker
                        Member
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 38

                        #26
                        The cells were made by Saft, I do have some photos and magazine articles on them somewhere so I'll try and find them. There was a boat that set a IMPBA record in 1969 that used Yardney cells, they still make AgZn cells.


                        There also was an electric car built in the 1960's by GM called the Electrovair II


                        Mark

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                        • Meniscus
                          Refuse the box exists!
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 3225

                          #27
                          Sweet info Marker

                          Thanks.
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                          • Flying Scotsman
                            Fast Electric Adict!
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 5190

                            #28
                            This is an interesting thread, as battery technology seeks the best resolution. Who ever finds the Holy Grail will be a very wealthy person. As all existing technologies have their Achilles Heel.

                            Douggie

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                            • Meniscus
                              Refuse the box exists!
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 3225

                              #29
                              Unfortunately, I believe that all of the technologies will have their drawbacks, that is until we have a chemical reaction that generates the energy in a controlled environment.

                              Yes, my next FE boat will be powered by Fusion.....or Plasma. I haven't decided yet
                              My only problem are the environmentalists.
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                              • Ub Hauled
                                Fast Electric Addict!
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 3031

                                #30
                                Darn tree hugers!
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