JAE 33 Rigger 6s Oval Set up.

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  • racerr73
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 133

    #1

    JAE 33 Rigger 6s Oval Set up.

    Hi,
    I am currently finishing of a JAE33 rigger for 5 lap oval racing and a mill and slow down lap. I race a JAE21 rigger on 4s 6700mah with a TP4050-2100kv "Y" on a ABC 1815-17-45 prop and come back with 30% left after a 5 lap race including mill and slow down lap after race. It works out to be pulling between 150-180 amps and 2800 watts. I would like to use the same 1815-17-45 prop on the new 6s Rigger and it works out a 1400kv motor on 6s with same prop should get me approx the same speed as 4s set up ( i realise the 6s battery is 300 grams heavier) but with 1/3 less amp draw, so approx 105-120 amps. I am trying to work out what size and kv motor i would need to get me back into the 150-180amp range and approx 3500 watts on the 6s 6700mah set up so i would be coming back with approx 30% left after race.
    My thoughts were TP4050-1570 "Y", TP4050-1700 "D", TP 4060-1650 "D" but not sure which one. I would prefer to stay with "Y" wind as i believe some "D" wind motors are amp hogs.
    I know there is a lot of info out there on 6s JAE33 rigger set ups but most are SAW stuff and not oval racing. If anyone who is racing 6s Rigger and has some info that would help me out it would be greatly appreciated.
    Thanks in Advance
    Trev
  • EddieM41
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2018
    • 192

    #2
    Following....

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    • Xrayted
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2023
      • 273

      #3
      You mention the 6S would 300g heavier than your 4S pack, but it shouldn't be unless you are saying that you already own said pack? The voltage increases by 33% on the 6S pack, therefore the mAh must go down 33% in order for both batts to be the same, and therefore the weight is typically the same for the 6S setup if the pack is sized correctly.

      A 6S 4489 mAh pack is identical in stored energy to your current 4S 6700 battery is, but there is of course no such capacity packs out there, so a 6S 4400-5000 mAh pack is what you want to use. The lipo will be much lighter like the original setup, and you would still have a bit more capacity than your 4S 6700 setup if you choose a 6S 5K pack

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      • racerr73
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2007
        • 133

        #4
        Yes i own a number of 4s and 6s 6700 mah packs and i don;t want to buy more packs just for this boat when my current packs work in all my current boats.
        I don;t want to run the 6s boat on basically the 4s wattage set up and have more left in the pack , i want to run the 6s boat to its maximum potential and to me that would mean getting the most out of it and having 30% approx left in 6s 6700 pack, just got to decide on what motor to achieve what i want.

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        • Xrayted
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2023
          • 273

          #5
          Yeah, that makes sense especially since you already own the packs to begin with. I run my mono on 8 cells from time to time, and didn't bother to lower the capacity on the packs vs 6 since I already had them laying around. Plus I need the extra weight to keep it from riding a wheelie all the way across the lake

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          • racerr73
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2007
            • 133

            #6
            Is there very few 6s riggers racing in oval competition?

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            • M3Bluegsr
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 105

              #7
              I ran a TP 4060 -1600kv, abc 1914, 6s -5000mah lipo, in my oval setup. Very fast and efficient..

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              • mr70ss
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 17

                #8
                Racerr73, what motor did you end up with? I just ordered a 33FE kit and am leaning towards the 4050 1700kv "D".

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                • Bande1
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2023
                  • 684

                  #9
                  Originally posted by mr70ss
                  Racerr73, what motor did you end up with? I just ordered a 33FE kit and am leaning towards the 4050 1700kv "D".
                  bad choice on every level. D winds are less desirable because you have no timing control. look for wye wind. 1700kv sucks for both 4s and 6s lapping. that would be ok for speed run on 6s but not lapping. 1200-1500kv = 6s lapping motor. the 33fe barely floats with a P-limited setup. 6s they sink. lots of people have lost theirs. they dont have enough room for flotation. a 4050 is already pushing it for 6s pretty severely. 4060 is kind of the bare minimum.

                  zippkits is releasing a 6s rigger its been in development for well over a year. run 4s in a 4s rigger, run 6s in a 6s rigger. The 33fe should be able to lap over 60mph in 4s and do 2-lap time trial over 70mph on 4s with a castle ESC.

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                  • eric113
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 323

                    #10
                    I raced 33FE in full P with 1515 2200kv motor and 150a raider. I was 70mph for 6 laps

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                    • Bande1
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2023
                      • 684

                      #11
                      neat. that would be like 11-12 second laps.

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                      • RaceMechaniX
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 2821

                        #12
                        My 6S heat race rigger runs a 5000-7600mAh pack (different packs to run) with a Castle X8S and a TP4070 1400 or 1650kv motor. I will run the 1400kv motor for rough water swinging a larger(ABC 2217) to keep the boat hooked up and if the water is smooth I will run the hotter 1650kv with a 1915/1917 size prop. I am pulling closer to 200-230A average over the 6 lap race. Speeds are in the low 80's.

                        Older videos when I ran a Castle 1717 motor and an ABC 2216:

                        Tyler Garrard
                        NAMBA 639/IMPBA 20525
                        T-Hydro @ 142.94mph former WR

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                        • RaceMechaniX
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 2821

                          #13
                          Same boat with a 2219, 10mph difference in speed:

                          Tyler Garrard
                          NAMBA 639/IMPBA 20525
                          T-Hydro @ 142.94mph former WR

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                          • mr70ss
                            Junior Member
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 17

                            #14
                            thanks for the reply's I'm going to start with a TP 4060 1350kv "Y".

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                            • jingalls007
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 1015

                              #15
                              Originally posted by RaceMechaniX
                              My 6S heat race rigger runs a 5000-7600mAh pack (different packs to run) with a Castle X8S and a TP4070 1400 or 1650kv motor. I will run the 1400kv motor for rough water swinging a larger(ABC 2217) to keep the boat hooked up and if the water is smooth I will run the hotter 1650kv with a 1915/1917 size prop. I am pulling closer to 200-230A average over the 6 lap race. Speeds are in the low 80's.

                              Older videos when I ran a Castle 1717 motor and an ABC 2216:

                              Nice rigger! Where can we get one?

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