HPR06 or H&M Bandit-M. Which hull, what material ?

[planezero]

Im looking to buy/build my first cat and my eye fell upon the HPR06, H&M-Bandit M and BK-Intruder.

Browsing the net I see that most ppl owning a HPR become fanatic supporters of them.
The Bandit M was also a record holder a few years back and seems a very good hull.
The Intruder is the cheapest, but got my attention looks-wise.

After a few days of browsing I am favouring the HPR06.

My question is, for the HPR06 there are three types of hull materials to choose from, glass, carbon-kevlar and carbon (in order of low to high price).
What are the pro's and con's of each material ?

Also any other recommendation with respect to the other hulls is welcome...

Thanks.

[Flying Scotsman]

Berry, how many other FE boats have you built?
The HP series are superb boats. I wish I could afford to build one.
The materials are another question. I would choose carbon/kevlar. Reason...strength

Douggie

[planezero]

Hi Douggie,

This will be a first build for me.
Owned an SV27 since sep 2006, liked it so much that I HAD to order an UL-1.
And in the mean time was always looking to build a fast cat.
FE does seem to get expensive quickly with these things, but I want to get a good hull to start out with.
I ordered cheap HI-amp 200A esc's, want to use the new Feigao 8L motors that
Steven carries, counter rotating X442s and run on 2x 4S1P to start out with until I get used to the speed.

That should get me going reasonably cheaply to start with and I could upgrade over the years from there knowing that I have an excellent hull.
(starting with going to 8S)

Or at least that was my thinking...

Would there be a difference between the carbon/kevlar and the carbon hull ?
The latter is more expensive.

[westbeach]

Berry,

The HPR hulls are scale offshore cats. I am not sure about BK's Bandit and H&M Intruder.
Althought the H&M Maritimo might be a scale offshore cat as well. I have a HPR06 hull and I am very pleased with Hanspeters hulls and the scale hardware.

As far as glassfibre, carbon or kevlar, it depends, if you can afford it why not, but at the same time why? Are you racing SAWS or a just sport running? Setting up a twin drive cat is pretty costly. How much are you willing to spend or can afford to spend after buying a kevlar hull. I would save the Kevlar for my Kayak.

And for the record, I have never built any FE boats till my HPR06. I took my time to build the cat properly from the start. You got to start somewhere. You just need a little smarts and some balls to do it. I just needed advice on powering the cat and props sizes. Good Luck with your decision. And Merry Christmas!

Kevlar is very light and strong material. Kevlar has give whereas carbon not so much. It is hard to drill through carbon. If you're not careful when drilling kevlar you can pull the weave.

[planezero]

Ow and erm.... WHY are the HPR such superb boats...better speed and handling compared to other cats? Or do the hulls I mentioned handle similarly ?

Thanks for your reply.

[planezero]

Berry,

The HPR hulls are scale offshore cats. I am not sure about BK's Bandit and H&M Intruder.
Althought the H&M Maritimo might be a scale offshore cat as well. I have a HPR06 hull and I am very pleased with Hanspeters hulls and the scale hardware.

As far as glassfibre, carbon or kevlar, it depends, if you can afford it why not, but at the same time why? Are you racing SAWS or a just sport running? Setting up a twin drive cat is pretty costly. How much are you willing to spend or can afford to spend after buying a kevlar hull. I would save the Kevlar for my Kayak.

And for the record, I have never built any FE boats till my HPR06. I took my time to build the cat properly from the start. You got to start somewhere. You just need a little smarts and some balls to do it. I just needed advice on powering the cat and props sizes. Good Luck with your decision. And Merry Christmas!

Just sport running, but (like everyone probably) get a kick out of seeing how fast I can make things go...
So no SAWS in the near future
As you say Id like to get the best hull at least, right from the start.

[kevinlew211]

Ow and erm.... WHY are the HPR such superb boats...better speed and handling compared to other cats? Or do the hulls I mentioned handle similarly ?

Thanks for your reply.

longer, deeper tunnel, wind went through and went out, no liftin force, hpr06 is 100mph boat, the bandit and intruder are not, all Hpr cats are special made for SAW but if you adding more weight into it, its also turn like in dime. Yes its dificuft to buil the HPR06, 1) its twin, 2) very small room to playing with motor mounts and tubes, and you have to make it really perfect to avoid drag and do all the right things to it.

[planezero]

longer, deeper tunnel, wind went through and went out, no liftin force, hpr06 is 100mph boat, the bandit and intruder are not, all Hpr cats are special made for SAW but if you adding more weight into it, its also turn like in dime.

Thanks for your reply...thats probably convinced me to go with HPR if i wasnt already

BK do sell the Bandit-M in a 100 mph configuration at this link .
Doesn't look too shabby
Just the price tag made me cringe...
Of course its prebuilt, but still

[kevinlew211]

Thanks for your reply...thats probably convinced me to go with HPR if i wasnt already

BK do sell the Bandit-M in a 100 mph configuration at this link .
Doesn't look too shabby
Just the price tag made me cringe...
Of course its prebuilt, but still

you can make most of the boat 45"+ hit to 100mph, the question is can you keep it on water and under YOUR control, personally, i want to see my boat running 100mph over and over not just only one time then...... crash
Do you think the HPR is look much beter than a Bandit too?? i will supprise if you dont

[Flying Scotsman]

Planezero, If you go with the HPR.
Do a search on their hulls on this and other forums. Check out the guys who have built them. PM them and I am sure they will give you great advice on hardware, where to drill the holes etc. Or start a build thread and ask for their help.
You do not want to screw up this QUALITY hull.

Douggie

[planezero]

After looking around at some beautifull cats here and Kevin's boats.
HPR06 it is !!!!!!!! Man, those hulls look nice

Have already ordered 2x 580 6L + jackets and x442/x442R props from Steven.
Bought 2 Himodel cheapo 200amp ESCs this week.
Will be borrowing my UL-1 TX/RX hardware

This shouldnt have to be that expensive and still get a reasonable result !

Now just to order a hull + hardware and get going

Ow and I suck at painting, so getting a talented girlfriend to help out with some nice airbrushing...wouldnt want me near it with paint brush

Dougie, Im sure Ill be asking lots of questions and might even be reading a little German on www.hydroworld.de

[focused]

hpr06

Berry ,

Now for sale on http://www.rc-raceboats-world.de/for...ead.php?t=5091 a new HPR06 with drives etc. hull is coming from holland and i know the seller he can be trusted.

The latest news about HansPeterRotschi builder of the HPR series is that he is going to stop building them so i have no idea if you still can order them from hpr himself.

Michiel.

[planezero]

Hi Michiel,
Thanks for the heads-up !
The link doesnt work, is it incorrect or has the thread been removed?

[bjornar]

After looking around at some beautifull cats here and Kevin's boats.
HPR06 it is !!!!!!!! Man, those hulls look nice

Have already ordered 2x 580 6L + jackets and x442/x442R props from Steven.
Bought 2 Himodel cheapo 200amp ESCs this week.
Will be borrowing my UL-1 TX/RX hardware

This shouldnt have to be that expensive and still get a reasonable result !

Now just to order a hull + hardware and get going

Ow and I suck at painting, so getting a talented girlfriend to help out with some nice airbrushing...wouldnt want me near it with paint brush

Dougie, Im sure Ill be asking lots of questions and might even be reading a little German on www.hydroworld.de

Hi,
how is it going with this project? I am thinkin about starting with the same project myself. HPR06 with 580 7 or 8L.

[Gerwin Brommer]

Hi Berry !

I'm Dutch.
Don't even hesitate about Intruder, Bandit, HPR06.
HPR06 is tha bomb


@ Kevin : Hanspeter NEVER designs boats for speed.
His main goal always is a scale-looking boat with outstanding performances.
For example : he announced the 06 by saying : scaleboat for speeds around 85 km/h. The first one hitting the water did 125 km/h. hahaha.
Achim Kurreck from Germany even did 184 km/h with it.

http://www.rc-raceboats-world.de/for...?t=4775&page=2 Here's one for sale.