Long run time drive system . Should I go oiler or Teflon ?

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  • rearwheelin
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Oct 2008
    • 1941

    #1

    Long run time drive system . Should I go oiler or Teflon ?

    I have no hands on experience with a oiler on the stuffing tube. My longest run times with other boats have been between 4-5 minutes with a greased flex / bushing/Teflon liner in boats I think would be considered hot setups. I feel like I'm pushing the envelope between runs on the systems lubricious state. lol I like the idea of just filling a reservoir up with oil and less pulling the flex for service. My next stage of my Team Believer build is getting close and I would like some advice on the drive system oiler. I plan on running 16,000-32,000mah for longer run times ! Thanks in advance !
    "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
    --Albert Einstein
  • jcald2000
    Senior Member
    • May 2008
    • 774

    #2
    I started running oil systems in 2008 and would never go back on anything over 4s. 1 oz. capacity for heat racing with top off between heats on a 10 HP, 35,000 rpm set up.
    Last edited by jcald2000; 02-19-2015, 06:40 AM.

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    • rearwheelin
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Oct 2008
      • 1941

      #3
      Thank you !
      "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
      --Albert Einstein

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      • NativePaul
        Greased Weasel
        • Feb 2008
        • 2760

        #4
        How long a run time are you after? I would go for water lubricated teflon liner for the flex and lead/teflonbearings in the strut, but I only race for 5-6.5 minutes. You might try PMing "Gromov", he races with 15 minute runtimes.
        Paul Upton-Taylor, Greased Weasel Racing.

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        • rearwheelin
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Oct 2008
          • 1941

          #5
          My estimated run time is just a guess at this point . It's a 56mm 1800kv TP motor 4-6s in a 36" Team Believer. If I can get 5 minutes on 16,000mah I figure I'm doing good.
          "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
          --Albert Einstein

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          • Peter A
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Sep 2012
            • 1486

            #6
            In my petrol offshore boat I run a teflon liner and oiling system. I use bar and chain oil. The liner runs into the stinger which I have modded with bearings, the oil also keeps the bearings lubed. This boat is designed for races up to an hour long, although 40 mins would probably be the longest it runs before a fuel stop.
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            • NativePaul
              Greased Weasel
              • Feb 2008
              • 2760

              #7
              A 56mm motor in a 36" boat seems obscene to me. It is so far outside my experience range, that you should disregard my suggestion as I have no idea if it would apply to your setup or not.
              Paul Upton-Taylor, Greased Weasel Racing.

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              • rearwheelin
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Oct 2008
                • 1941

                #8
                Originally posted by NativePaul
                A 56mm motor in a 36" boat seems obscene to me. It is so far outside my experience range, that you should disregard my suggestion as I have no idea if it would apply to your setup or not.
                Love that honesty bro !
                "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
                --Albert Einstein

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                • rearwheelin
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1941

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Peter A
                  In my petrol offshore boat I run a teflon liner and oiling system. I use bar and chain oil. The liner runs into the stinger which I have modded with bearings, the oil also keeps the bearings lubed. This boat is designed for races up to an hour long, although 40 mins would probably be the longest it runs before a fuel stop.
                  Thank you ! Very insightful !
                  "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
                  --Albert Einstein

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                  • steinersamuel
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 405

                    #10
                    I also used to run a 46" gasser for long periods of time, 45-60 minutes at times. Only difference is a gas boats shaft only sees around 15-16,000 rpm, but its got three times the prop to swing. Simple grease and a Teflon liner were more than sufficient. as long as you keep up on your maintenance you should have no problems, remove the cable at the end of a day of running, wipe it down well and leave it out till its time to run again. Slap a good thick coat on it and reinstall. should honestly be able to run all day without having to re lube. water is a decent lubricant, its just corrosive.

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                    • devo
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 146

                      #11
                      I run oilers in alot of my fe boats and the flex shafts never have issues. I do not run teflon liners in these setups either

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                      • rearwheelin
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 1941

                        #12
                        Originally posted by devo
                        I run oilers in alot of my fe boats and the flex shafts never have issues. I do not run teflon liners in these setups either
                        Thanks Devo ! I'm pretty sure I will end up just running the oiler with no Teflon . How close to the end of the stuffing tube I plumb in the oiler ?
                        "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."
                        --Albert Einstein

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                        • devo
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 146

                          #13
                          Originally posted by rearwheelin
                          Thanks Devo ! I'm pretty sure I will end up just running the oiler with no Teflon . How close to the end of the stuffing tube I plumb in the oiler ?
                          It depends on if your running a stuffing seal or not. If you run a stuffing tube seal from aeromarine it has a nipple on it already. If not I go about 2 inches down from the end and soilder a nipple on the stuffing tube and then drill into the tube, I then put a piece of silicone tube on the end of the tube near the motor that acts as a seal.

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                          • rearwheelin
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 1941

                            #14
                            Originally posted by devo
                            It depends on if your running a stuffing seal or not. If you run a stuffing tube seal from aeromarine it has a nipple on it already. If not I go about 2 inches down from the end and soilder a nipple on the stuffing tube and then drill into the tube, I then put a piece of silicone tube on the end of the tube near the motor that acts as a seal.
                            I might look into that aeromarine seal. Here is a question and answer quote from there website on it I have all kinds of LPS2 lol:

                            what do you use to grease the shaft is that just a standard grease fitting ?
                            Asked by geno on 13 May 22:41
                            You actually use a good oil lubricant. We have used LPS2 for years and find that its far more superior then grease especially with Teflon liners. It is a standard nipple that we put a fuel/water line to and spray the lubricant in. This is the best method. We used to sell LPS2 and are looking to again as soon but may be found online and purchased as an individual. Hope this helps.

                            AeromarineRC 14 May 09:42

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                            • srislash
                              Not there yet
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 7673

                              #15
                              I have been using Duralube in mine. Gets a little thin in the summer heat though.

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