Local clubs.......P limited question

[T.S.Davis]

I see 2 FE races on your list. Same ones I went to.
The remainder are primarily fuel. So you're basing your numbers observations on nitro races.

Mmmmkaaaayy.

I guess FE numbers at nitro races are down. That's a bummer.

[DPeterson]

Oh Terry

Electrics represented about 40-50% of the entries at these sanctioned IMPBA mixed fuel races.

And again participation in electric is "down" in everyone I attended. Including Arizona and the expectations at Michigan. All facts. That is the basis for the "nest" comment. What happens in the "nest" does represent what is happening in the rest of racing world.

And I sure hope NAMBA had more than 2 FE races in 2014.

Doug

[T.S.Davis]

Doug, you sound like Pachmeyer. He always said the only way for me to know about electric racing was to go race open mono with gas guys. Say what?

I didn't dig em all up. There were 31 NAMBA FE races I could find.

I got tired of only going to a few races a year and having to travel to compete. Its pricey. I couldn't hang. You know how it gets. So I built a club. Some good guys and myself combined with some effort.

Guess how we did it?...........P limited sir. Tripled our numbers. D2 numbers are higher than ever. To the point that Waters commented on the increase.

If you had 20 competitive guys showing at your local puddle with 3 or more boats each for 7 races you might/maybe be less inclined to choose mixed races.

I also get to see some of these guys twice a week. That boater silliness and ribbing we both enjoy happens all the time. So much fun.

[DPeterson]

OK, but I thought I remembered racing with your club way before P-limited. Large races with N2's, LSH's and P boats.

I'll fold on this debate. I really do hope we can some day get over this hurdle and meet up again.

Doug

[Darin Jordan]

I am understanding why they still look down and laugh at electrics. Starting to giggle myself. Rules based on rtr's. "giggle" No more rtr's available. "giggle" I'll handling rtr boats. "giggle" Be careful not to hit a bouy or flip, It will break your boat. "giggle" Why are all those AQ motors burning up? "giggle" What do you electric guy's recommend we purchase to get started? We can't. "giggle"

Same Nitro-Guys that run A-Stock and B-Stock OPC?? With AQ VS-1s and TS-3s and O.S. 21XM VII Outboard Marine Engines, or now defunct or difficult to get K&B 7.5 Outboards?? Those Nitro guys?? The same ones that decided to try to run 1/8th scale FE, but ignored all the current "FE Experts" and went back through the learning curve only to discover the same thing that the FE guys had been telling them all along??

The same ones that declared "if he's faster than me, he must be cheating", when they entered the FE world of OPC Tunnel??

Ummmmm... Let them laugh...

[Darin Jordan]

I'll say it one more time...

What we "need" is a list of motors to consider that are of the same performance level and general specifications of any of the currently approved motor list. That should NOT be tough to come up with.

Anything beyond that and you are just stirring up *!***!***!***!**, and might as well just go run Open-P.

FACTs are that the only reason that Open-P makes the numbers in most regions/clubs is because there are people running their RTR's or P-Ltd setups in those classes...

And, by the way... the numbers in PSFEMBC are UP, not down... we have members traveling from Idaho, and even from B.C., just to race their "lowly" P-LTD and P-LTD RTR boats (can you say "spec-Revolt"??).

Anyone looking at participation numbers and blaming the lower numbers on the class, and not the economy and general state of the current world over the past 6 years, isn't being intellectually honest.

[T.S.Davis]

OK, but I thought I remembered racing with your club way before P-limited. Large races with N2's, LSH's and P boats.

You did but that was before there were Lithium cells even.

[RandyatBBY]

I'll say it one more time...

What we "need" is a list of motors to consider that are of the same performance level and general specifications of any of the currently approved motor list. That should NOT be tough to come up with.

Anything beyond that and you are just stirring up *!***!***!***!**, and might as well just go run Open-P.

FACTs are that the only reason that Open-P makes the numbers in most regions/clubs is because there are people running their RTR's or P-Ltd setups in those classes...

And, by the way... the numbers in PSFEMBC are UP, not down... we have members traveling from Idaho, and even from B.C., just to race their "lowly" P-LTD and P-LTD RTR boats (can you say "spec-Revolt"??).

Anyone looking at participation numbers and blaming the lower numbers on the class, and not the economy and general state of the current world over the past 6 years, isn't being intellectually honest.

I have to agree, FE is stronger than ever in District 9 a lot of that is due to P LTD. I really want to see new motors added to the list and they do not need to be RTR's as far as I am conserned just the same power as we have been using for years. I am looking at the motors Doug Peterson is running but I can not afford to buy anything now.

[DPeterson]

Darin

I'll say it one more time...
What we "need" is a list of motors to consider that are of the same performance level and general specifications of any of the currently approved motor list. That should NOT be tough to come up with.

Been saying that too. Nobody is biting. I floated the idea of creating a Motor Approval committee. The racing associations do not operate by committee or geographical representation so therefore it will not happen. One of the reasons we continue to have disparity amoung regions in both associations.

Glad to know there is growth in some areas. Backs-up my point about thinking beyond the nest.

As for a motor list - I got mine started. Not waiting or following no more.

Randy - I am looking to purchase another large order for the discount. I can get you in. Doug

[T.S.Davis]

Darin
geographical representation

Of course they do Doug. We have districts. If you're looking for a representative republic then no but we do have geo rep.

The fact that you don't participate in it does not mean it doesn't exist.

If the format of both organizations is unsatisfactory then maybe you should make a new one. You may have to since you have your own list of motors with plans to?...........what are your plans? Force both organization to bend to your list? IMPBA will likely never have a set of limited classes. The don't believe they're necessary and will never agree on the ESC.

Most in NAMBA still want the RTR's to at least be an option where as you want them gone from the lexicon entirely. Because they're bad for the hobby I guess.

So what's the plan?

[RandyatBBY]

Glad to know there is growth in some areas. Backs-up my point about thinking beyond the nest.

As for a motor list - I got mine started. Not waiting or following no more.

Randy - I am looking to purchase another large order for the discount. I can get you in. Doug

I am going to the last points race this weekend I will see if I can get some interest in trying your motors. Like I said before I would have bought them if I had the funds, but this is the slowest time of the year till February.

[DPeterson]

Geez Terry - don't get so upset. It will be OK. For the benefit of the boating public I am not going to go back and regurgetate my points about lack of representation. But again voting on a proposal that is put forward by a region of our country does not constitute representation.

For your benefit, you only have till the end of this year to have to listen to my opinions on NAMBA. After that my subscription will have run out and will not be renewed and therefore this paid member will no longer have a say. You should all be happy after that.

The plan for IMPBA D4 is moving forward. We have a few motors that will make our approved list. A couple will be the existing rtr offerings. At least one motor will not be rtr. Will be looking to see if another motor option deserves to be on the list. We have the ears of our surrounding districts and clubs. If there will be any rtr boats available we will be trying to develop some beginner classes to get the youngsters or beginners started. Hopefully we will be succesful. If not, our failure will be at our hands and not at the hands of AQ, PB or TFL.

No need for IMBPA national rules at this point. We will see what we can build first. Records will never be part of Spec classes in IMPBA so really what does a national rule set do for us?

Long story short. You fella's got to quit being so hung up on rules and rtr stuff. Focus on getting some better performance proven, enduring motors in them boats and start having some fun with them.

[Doby]

For the benefit of the boating public I am not going to go back and regurgetate my points about lack of representation. But again voting on a proposal that is put forward by a region of our country does not constitute representation.
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Didn't you guys dump a crap-load of tea in Boston Harbour for something similar.....

[T.S.Davis]

My focus is on getting guys to the pond first and second for those guys to be able to race against the guys on the pond in a neighboring city if they want.

It just seems like you picked a motor and if it's not accepted at a particular venue then you don't go. Which could put you on a pond by yourselves.

NAMBA has it wrong and so does IMPBA. That's a tic frustrating Doug.

[ray schrauwen]

Doug

Long story short. You fella's got to quit being so hung up on rules and rtr stuff. Focus on getting some better performance proven, enduring motors in them boats and start having some fun with them.

Terry

My focus is on getting guys to the pond first and second for those guys to be able to race against the guys on the pond in a neighboring city if they want.

Darin

Anyone looking at participation numbers and blaming the lower numbers on the class, and not the economy and general state of the current world over the past 6 years, isn't being intellectually honest.

All good points.

1. To get new motors on any list which I am all for, picking one is only the starting point, good start.

2. You have done well in getting groups together this says a lot.

3. Very important, it's not easy to get people to travel across the country in a tough economy.

Maybe there will become an east west rivalry since it's easier to go north & south than east to west & vice versa. I do thank those that make the long hauls to races and this years Nats and I understand why some could not make it, there are always going to be hurdles, etc.

It will work out eventually one way or another, I have faith It's going to be another long cold winter and there are some great people here that I trust will hammer out a solution.