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  • kfxguy
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Oct 2013
    • 8746

    #1

    before I go run again....

    I have a thought/question/ concern. So I'm using cheaper hardware with the 3mm nylon rudder breakaway screw. At 95 plus mph speeds should I be concerned with that screw breaking at that speed? I noticed after I'm done running it, the rudder is tilted back against it. It flipped once and when I brought it in, the screw was broke. In my mind it the screw broke, it would potentially cause a flip because the drag of the rudder helps bring the bow down...right? So lose this down force and front comes up...flipping starts....am I on to something? Was going to use a brass screw...bad idea?
    32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was
  • tlandauer
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Apr 2011
    • 5666

    #2
    Yes, i have had to ditch the break-away screws on some of my boats because the tiled back rudder changes my set up and sends the bow down during a turn and causes one of the sponsons'steps to trip on the water. IMO, between hitting a branch or a turtle and having a nasty flip, I rather chance the rudder... lol...
    Too many boats, not enough time...

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    • Make-a-Wake
      FE Rules!
      • Nov 2009
      • 5557

      #3
      Use brass.
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      • kfxguy
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Oct 2013
        • 8746

        #4
        Alright. I picked up some brass screws. I could care less about messing up a rudder, I didn't want to worry about knocking the transom off lol
        32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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        • srislash
          Not there yet
          • Mar 2011
          • 7673

          #5
          Actually if we could dig up some aluminum screws they would be perfect for this. I have broke many nylon ones due to speed and the sliding breakaway rudders...
          I might add that I have ripped open transom a with brass screws.

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          • kfxguy
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Oct 2013
            • 8746

            #6
            Originally posted by srislash
            Actually if we could dig up some aluminum screws they would be perfect for this. I have broke many nylon ones due to speed and the sliding breakaway rudders...
            I might add that I have ripped open transom a with brass screws.
            This post makes me nervous. The good thing is it made me think a little more about this. Part of my problem is the slack it has with the factory hole and 3mm screw. They drilled it a touch too big. Then I remembered I bought a bag Of 6-32 nylon socket head screws. They are bigger than the 3mm screws and I can fix the slack problem by drilling a tighter hole.
            32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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            • Rocstar
              Joel Mertz
              • Jun 2012
              • 1509

              #7
              Originally posted by kfxguy
              drilling a tighter hole.
              Ha.
              "There's nothing else I really want to do other than get up and build boats." - Mike Fiore

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              • Fluid
                Fast and Furious
                • Apr 2007
                • 8011

                #8
                One problem with all break-away rudders is the lack of friction between the rudder and the bracket. You will find that if you rough up the part of the rudder which is clamped in the bracket with 100 grit paper, and do the same for the inside of the bracket, your rudder's unwanted movement at high speeds will be greatly reduced or eliminated - shear pin or no shear pin.


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                • srislash
                  Not there yet
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 7673

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Fluid
                  One problem with all break-away rudders is the lack of friction between the rudder and the bracket. You will find that if you rough up the part of the rudder which is clamped in the bracket with 100 grit paper, and do the same for the inside of the bracket, your rudder's unwanted movement at high speeds will be greatly reduced or eliminated - shear pin or no shear pin.


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                  Thank you for that one Fluid

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                  • kfxguy
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 8746

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Fluid
                    One problem with all break-away rudders is the lack of friction between the rudder and the bracket. You will find that if you rough up the part of the rudder which is clamped in the bracket with 100 grit paper, and do the same for the inside of the bracket, your rudder's unwanted movement at high speeds will be greatly reduced or eliminated - shear pin or no shear pin.


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                    No idea why i didnt think of that...lol...I did it to my strut. works well. thanks!
                    32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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                    • dasboata
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 3152

                      #11
                      The size screw you need is 4-40 brass Jay I like that Idea !

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                      • pescador
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2009
                        • 499

                        #12
                        I was using nylon and Doug Sick showed me how he uses brass tubing that is a snug fit in the hole and then just crimping the end down so it can't pull out.
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                        • ray schrauwen
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9472

                          #13
                          or you can use a center punch on the tenon part that bears against the mount. One good tap leaves raised material without removing any material.

                          I use 6-32 brass bolts in my rudders because 4-40 would break too easy.

                          Originally posted by Fluid
                          One problem with all break-away rudders is the lack of friction between the rudder and the bracket. You will find that if you rough up the part of the rudder which is clamped in the bracket with 100 grit paper, and do the same for the inside of the bracket, your rudder's unwanted movement at high speeds will be greatly reduced or eliminated - shear pin or no shear pin.


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