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  • kfxguy
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Oct 2013
    • 8746

    #1

    Here's a lipo trick for you.....

    Disclaimer: if you blow your battery up, I'm not responsible for you not being careful....

    I have three young kids with lots of toys....most of which use lipos. They have not quite grasped the fact that you cannot run the batteries till the vehicle stops and you can't leave a drained battery drained for a long time. So....I'd be broke if I had not devised (well after some searching) a way to bring them back to life. This is dangerous, so great care needs to be taken when doing this. You've had this happen before I'm sure...plug battery in...charger says low voltage...will not charge. Well most of the time you can save it (damage is done I'm sure but if its not puffed or leaking, you might get lucky). I run an extension cord out on my driveway (hey, you never know) and plug in my charger. Put the chatter on Nimh and charge at .1 amp. Yes, 1/10 of an amp. Back away. Watch the voltage. It should come up slowly. Well faster than you think really...but if it goes down or stays where it's at...unplug the cord out the wall and cut your losses (not literally, that will cause a fire lol). Anyway back to it. Get it to about 3v per cell. Good idea to plug a voltage reader in the balance plug. If one stays real low and the others are much higher...throw the towel in. Once you get to 3v per cell put it on lipo charge. Charge at about 2 amps for 4000mah and up. 2000 to 3500 mah do 1 amp. Smaller batteries just do 1/2 of the mah. This has worked perfect for me on numerous batteries. I'm doing one right now as I type this. I think I would not use your rescued battery in high amp draw or series setups. Remember, it hurt...but it will work and you'll likely get a little more life out of it if your careful. I've only done this on deeply discharged batteries. The one I'm doing right now was at 1.89v when I plugged it in....it's a 3s pack. It's taking a charge and balancing out fine right now. I've one had one fail....it was used about 10-15 more charges and then puffed up. I know some of you guys are going to scoff at this...and that's fine....I just can't afford to keep buying batteries when I know they won't be taken care of on the level that I care for mine.
    32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was
  • champion221elite
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2013
    • 216

    #2
    Originally posted by kfxguy
    Disclaimer: if you blow your battery up, I'm not responsible for you not being careful....

    I have three young kids with lots of toys....most of which use lipos. They have not quite grasped the fact that you cannot run the batteries till the vehicle stops and you can't leave a drained battery drained for a long time. So....I'd be broke if I had not devised (well after some searching) a way to bring them back to life. This is dangerous, so great care needs to be taken when doing this. You've had this happen before I'm sure...plug battery in...charger says low voltage...will not charge. Well most of the time you can save it (damage is done I'm sure but if its not puffed or leaking, you might get lucky). I run an extension cord out on my driveway (hey, you never know) and plug in my charger. Put the chatter on Nimh and charge at .1 amp. Yes, 1/10 of an amp. Back away. Watch the voltage. It should come up slowly. Well faster than you think really...but if it goes down or stays where it's at...unplug the cord out the wall and cut your losses (not literally, that will cause a fire lol). Anyway back to it. Get it to about 3v per cell. Good idea to plug a voltage reader in the balance plug. If one stays real low and the others are much higher...throw the towel in. Once you get to 3v per cell put it on lipo charge. Charge at about 2 amps for 4000mah and up. 2000 to 3500 mah do 1 amp. Smaller batteries just do 1/2 of the mah. This has worked perfect for me on numerous batteries. I'm doing one right now as I type this. I think I would not use your rescued battery in high amp draw or series setups. Remember, it hurt...but it will work and you'll likely get a little more life out of it if your careful. I've only done this on deeply discharged batteries. The one I'm doing right now was at 1.89v when I plugged it in....it's a 3s pack. It's taking a charge and balancing out fine right now. I've one had one fail....it was used about 10-15 more charges and then puffed up. I know some of you guys are going to scoff at this...and that's fine....I just can't afford to keep buying batteries when I know they won't be taken care of on the level that I care for mine.
    Awesome info! This could have potentially saved me a nice 5300 mah 3s pack about a month ago. Like an idiot, I put a 75 grain .223 bullet through my pack after my efforts to charge normally failed.

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    • Brushless55
      Creator
      • Oct 2008
      • 9488

      #3
      There is some good talk about this in the battery thread I believe
      I've done this twice with good results
      .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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      • kfxguy
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Oct 2013
        • 8746

        #4
        Originally posted by champion221elite
        Awesome info! This could have potentially saved me a nice 5300 mah 3s pack about a month ago. Like an idiot, I put a 75 grain .223 bullet through my pack after my efforts to charge normally failed.
        What a bummer!
        32" carbon rivercat single 4s 102mph, 27” mini Rivercat 92mph, kbb34 91mph, jessej micro cat(too fast) was

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        • champion221elite
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2013
          • 216

          #5
          Originally posted by kfxguy
          What a bummer!
          It the end, it was probably for the best. The bad pack was a hardcase CRC Racing 3s3p battery. That's right, it was 3s3p so it had a whopping total of 9 cells crammed inside the hardcase. I took it apart, but gave up when I found what was inside. One more instance of live and learn... don't buy the over priced stuff from your LHS just because it's what they have in stock.

          That battery was overpriced, over complicated and under performed on my rather hot Sprint Cat setup. That, and running my prop a bit too deep is likely what caused the battery to fail in the first place.

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          • tlandauer
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Apr 2011
            • 5666

            #6
            Originally posted by champion221elite
            Awesome info! This could have potentially saved me a nice 5300 mah 3s pack about a month ago. Like an idiot, I put a 75 grain .223 bullet through my pack after my efforts to charge normally failed.
            Awesome, Dude!
            Too many boats, not enough time...

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            • Luck as a Constant
              Make Total Destroy
              • Mar 2014
              • 1952

              #7
              or use a lipo cutoff.
              There's a hole at the center of earth where the rest of the world sinks but i stand still...

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              • gsbuickman
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Jul 2011
                • 1292

                #8
                Originally posted by kfxguy
                Disclaimer: if you blow your battery up, I'm not responsible for you not being careful....

                I have three young kids with lots of toys....most of which use lipos. They have not quite grasped the fact that you cannot run the batteries till the vehicle stops and you can't leave a drained battery drained for a long time. So....I'd be broke if I had not devised (well after some searching) a way to bring them back to life. This is dangerous, so great care needs to be taken when doing this. You've had this happen before I'm sure...plug battery in...charger says low voltage...will not charge. Well most of the time you can save it (damage is done I'm sure but if its not puffed or leaking, you might get lucky). I run an extension cord out on my driveway (hey, you never know) and plug in my charger. Put the chatter on Nimh and charge at .1 amp. Yes, 1/10 of an amp. Back away. Watch the voltage. It should come up slowly. Well faster than you think really...but if it goes down or stays where it's at...unplug the cord out the wall and cut your losses (not literally, that will cause a fire lol). Anyway back to it. Get it to about 3v per cell. Good idea to plug a voltage reader in the balance plug. If one stays real low and the others are much higher...throw the towel in. Once you get to 3v per cell put it on lipo charge. Charge at about 2 amps for 4000mah and up. 2000 to 3500 mah do 1 amp. Smaller batteries just do 1/2 of the mah. This has worked perfect for me on numerous batteries. I'm doing one right now as I type this. I think I would not use your rescued battery in high amp draw or series setups. Remember, it hurt...but it will work and you'll likely get a little more life out of it if your careful. I've only done this on deeply discharged batteries. The one I'm doing right now was at 1.89v when I plugged it in....it's a 3s pack. It's taking a charge and balancing out fine right now. I've one had one fail....it was used about 10-15 more charges and then puffed up. I know some of you guys are going to scoff at this...and that's fine....I just can't afford to keep buying batteries when I know they won't be taken care of on the level that I care for mine.
                I concure. I've been doing this to lipos myself for awhile, only I have a little bit different method. all the times that I've tried this has been because a cell has went bad, yet all the others are good. I would open the end of the battery where the balance & charging leads are soldered into the pack, then I would test the voltage of each cell to determine which one needs charged. I clip the positive lead of my charger to the balance lead of the dead cell with an alligator clip, then the negative alligator clip to the main ground of the pack. Like you I set the charger on NiMH & charge @ .01A.

                I generally let it peak that sell out then I balance charge the whole pack. after that I cycle the pack two or three times. I have a friend who has a special charger just for bringing back dead lipos. this charger does the exact same thing, it charges individuals cells at an extremely low voltage over a long period of time to try and recover them. that's where I got the idea myself .

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                • Brushless55
                  Creator
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 9488

                  #9
                  Very cool way to do it...
                  only charging the goofy cell
                  .NAMBA20...Caterpillar UL-1, P-Spec OM29, P-Mono DF33, P-Spec JAE, Aussie 33" Hydro-LSH, Sprintcat CC2028 on 8s, PT SS45 Q Hydro, PS295 UL-1 power, OSE Brothers Outlaw QMono 4-sale, Rio 51z CC2028 on 8s

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                  • Shooter
                    Team Mojo
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 2558

                    #10
                    Originally posted by champion221elite
                    Awesome info! This could have potentially saved me a nice 5300 mah 3s pack about a month ago. Like an idiot, I put a 75 grain .223 bullet through my pack after my efforts to charge normally failed.
                    Well, at least you showed that battery who was boss!

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