100 MPH Traxxas Villain?

**RaceMechaniX** · 12-24-2013, 02:10 AM

How do i put this politely Uh no unless we are talking scale mph. Crash that boat anywhere above 60 and kiss it goodbye. 100 mph is just not feasible with that hull. The twin out drives are nowhere near capable.

**pcressey** · 12-24-2013, 02:23 AM

You sure you aren't speaking of the Spartan?

**siberianhusky** · 12-24-2013, 07:13 AM

Unfortunately the only way that hull will get anywhere near the speeds this guy wants is in the car on the way to the pond!
The hull is not designed for those speeds nor anywhere near the strength required.
Remember crashing at those speeds is just like bouncing it down a concrete road at the same speed.

**Fluid** · 12-24-2013, 10:10 AM

The question is - what motor can I use with the 37V batteries - and what prop - and if he doesn't get to 100MPH as long as he has some reliability - the problem will be solved - even if it is only temporarily.

Spartan or Villian, if he wants high speed and reliability then he is out of luck. Even the stock Villian setup is marginal reliability-wise in the long run. Increase the power level and watch out for broken drive parts flying everywhere. Forget the Villian entirely.

Your "guy" will not get to 100 mph in any FE mono - no one else in the world has with repeatability no matter how much $$$ they spend. Crash damage aside, running 10S in a Spartan with a Neu 1527/1Y motor, a 200+ amp ESC and an x648 prop may theoretically get him into the 80s - which is hella fast for any mono. If he wants to go 100 mph then he needs either a cat or a hydro. I've watched 4S riggers and 6S cats break 100 mph through official timing traps (not GPS speeds)....when rigged and driven by experts.

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**Southwest** · 12-24-2013, 01:18 PM

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**gsbuickman** · 12-24-2013, 02:52 PM

Sorry, I love the Villan's but anything over 50mph is nuts. Its like trying to control the 300mph pikes peak escudo on Gran Turismo. Come spring thaw I can finally see what my Villain will do with the new Hpi GT 550's on 4s & 5s with bearing supported x447's....

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**steveo** · 12-24-2013, 06:02 PM

Anybody that has gone fast in a villian has ripped out the drivetrain for a single motor setup which mean cutting the hull to reveal the inside v to install new parts. I my self did this mod and it ran way better than stock, major hull reinforcement especially the hull seem blue printing of the bottom and transom work to get harware to fit.nothing wrong with having the fastest villian, 70mph might be obtainable

**gsbuickman** · 12-24-2013, 11:17 PM

The coolness of having a villain is the having a boat that was designed in 1987' with dual counter rotating drives outback. It was way ahead of its time. If you gut it for a single setup, you no longer have avilain. You end up with just another fe mono.

You can run 4x8x3mm Boca bearings to support the 3/16 drive shafts & the outdrives, but your stuck with nylon drive gears because no one makes factory diameter steel spurgears with a 3/16 bore anymore.

You can upgrade to 5mm driveshafts, which will increase rotting mass, but you can get 5x8x3mm bearings to suppor them, along with steel drive gears in factory gearing all for $50. I would love to take a set of outdrives to a machine shop & have them milled out of aluminum. That would be awesome...

**oldude** · 12-29-2013, 02:41 AM

100mph

Originally posted by RaceMechaniX

How do i put this politely Uh no unless we are talking scale mph. Crash that boat anywhere above 60 and kiss it goodbye. 100 mph is just not feasible with that hull. The twin out drives are nowhere near capable.

Hi RaceMechanix,

Thanks for your comments. We have now gotten to the point where the boat will be upgraded to the Spartan - but the ideal is still to go as fast as possible - and trying for 100MPH is still a goal. Otherwise - what is the best that we can do - and what motor and prop combinations will work best with 37v and a 180amp esc?

Thanks

**gsbuickman** · 12-29-2013, 03:14 AM

??, the villain will be upgraded to the spartan ?. 10s on a 180a ESC in the villain is severe overkill. I am running 4s & 5s in my new villain.
I put a pair of Johnson 550's with bearing supported driveshafts and outdrives spinning s&b X447's. I expect she'll be in the 40mph range. Fast enough to be a lot of fun :-) .

If you really want to light the wick on a villain, but still keep the outdrives, you need to upgrade the drive system to 5mm, then have the outdrives milled out of aluminum, then it'll handle brushless alright. Problem is keeping it on the water and not airborne.

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**RaceMechaniX** · 12-29-2013, 12:53 PM

Oldude,
This is a round peg in a square hole. If this was remotely realistic I would say so, but that hull and driveline and just not capable of those speeds. The Spartan would be a much better platform to start from, but still is very limitied. 80+mph monos are practically single point hydros at these speeds and require very specific power systems and hardware. They also need to be bulletproof on the construction as crashes will be frequent trying to achieve those speeds.

Leave the Villian as a play boat and start with a better hull.

Tyler

**oldude** · 12-30-2013, 02:13 AM

100 MPH Traxxas

Originally posted by oldude

Is it possible to get to 100 mph with a Traxxas villain? I have a guy who is asking me to install a 180 Amp ESC and 2 5S lipo's to get as fast as this will allow. I don't think the motor/prop combination in the boat will handle this amount of power (Traxxas say not more than 6S)
The question is - what motor can I use with the 37V batteries - and what prop - and if he doesn't get to 100MPH as long as he has some reliability - the problem will be solved - even if it is only temporarily http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/.../confused2.gif

OK- so we now have a situation where the guy will replace the boat and get a Spartan instead. In the meantime we still have a 180amp ESC and 2 X 5 cell LiPos that will provide and hopefully manage the power. We get back to the question of what motor and prop combination should be installed. I don't think the original Traxxas motor will survive the 37V onslaught and the prop probably won't give the sort of speed that we are trying to get to?http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...cons/icon5.png

**Heaving Earth** · 12-30-2013, 02:27 AM

Dude, get a rtr and leave it alone until you learn this stuff

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**Heaving Earth** · 12-30-2013, 02:36 AM

100 MPH Traxxas Villain?

10s on 180a esc = fried electronics

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