TP Power TP4050 5D Pro 2600 Kv 4-pole on 6S

[Skovene]

Hi

I bought a genesis art from hobbyking and used it stock for a while and now im upgrading to 3/16" flex, and have bought a TP Power TP4050 5D Pro 2600 Kv 4-pole. Esc is a turnigy 180a. I was gonna run it on 6S as i have a few 6s batteries. But now im in doubt if it will be to much for the motor. I know its specs say 60k and 23v, but i thought when i bought it that it would be fine going a bit over spec.

Is there anyone with hands on experience with this motor and 6s?

[kevinpratt823]

You will burn up tour esc very quickly running that on 6s. That is a 3-4s motor, the highest I go on 6s is 1600kv, unless your just looking to make one or two passes, but even then I think what your talking is over the limits.....

[martin]

Manufacturers motor specs are not relevant to boat use, listen to Kevins post as its good info.

[Skovene]

Hi

why will i burn my ecs? Motor amp is rated at 139A and i assume thats is at 23v? I read and see people are running TP 4050L 2350kv with 6s and turnigy 180A without any problems the motor is designed for boats as i know with big holes in the end bell

Would you kindle explain why i will have problems and burn the esc, or motor?

[Skovene]

I just looked at the 2350kv specs, and thats is rated even lower 22v and higher amp 164A

http://mbp-rc.de/TP4050L-5D-2350kv-3600Watt_1

[siberianhusky]

Simple answer - over 57000 rpm = poof!
Personally wouldn't run it on 4s would have to run too small a prop to keep the amp draw within reason. That's a 3s2p motor.
Somebody with lots of experience MAY be able to make it work on 4s for VERY short straight line speed runs. I have my doubts about that though, it's only a mid grade motor.
If you want to push the limits you need to spend the big bucks to get the equipment that will survive the abuse.
I also don't believe the specs for a second, no way that motor will put out more watts than a similar sized NEU or Castle.
A NEU 1521 is rated at 1750 watts and costs 250$ max burst of 3500 watts.......

[Rocstar]

Simple answer - over 57000 rpm = poof!
Personally wouldn't run it on 4s would have to run too small a prop to keep the amp draw within reason. That's a 3s2p motor.
Somebody with lots of experience MAY be able to make it work on 4s for VERY short straight line speed runs. I have my doubts about that though, it's only a mid grade motor.
If you want to push the limits you need to spend the big bucks to get the equipment that will survive the abuse.
I also don't believe the specs for a second, no way that motor will put out more watts than a similar sized NEU or Castle.
A NEU 1521 is rated at 1750 watts and costs 250$ max burst of 3500 watts.......

I have this motor in a 32'' cat. I have and do run it on 4s2p....However, it is a hot setup with a small prop and my boat is dialed in. The boat is fast and fun to drive on 3s2p all day. Running higher RPMs takes some trial and error. I run short passes and data log. I'm all for experimenting and like to push the limits, but understand that there is a price to pay when you let the smoke out. Run on 3s2p and you'll be happy.

Is there anyone with hands on experience with this motor and 6s?

Example, I have ran this motor on 6s and a small prop knowing full well something would give very quickly. I wanted to test the limits of this motor and ESC for SAW use. The boat was wicked fast for 3.5 seconds before the 200A ESC tapped out.
There, I just saved you $120 for a replacement T-180......

[Skovene]

Hmm.. how are people then running the 2350kv motor on 6s without any problems? thats 59.2k rpm

Excuse me for doubting, but with 4s i only at 43.6k rpm witch i got batteries for and was planning on running it on for fast runabout and 6s when i want some really fast runs. Do any of you have real life experience with this motor or the 2350kv?

[Skovene]

I have this motor in a 32'' cat. I have and do run it on 4s2p....However, it is a hot setup with a small prop and my boat is dialed in. The boat is fast and fun to drive on 3s2p all day. Running higher RPMs takes some trial and error. I run short passes and data log. I'm all for experimenting and like to push the limits, but understand that there is a price to pay when you let the smoke out. Run on 3s2p and you'll be happy.


Example, I have ran this motor on 6s and a small prop knowing full well something would give very quickly. I wanted to test the limits of this motor and ESC for SAW use. The boat was wicked fast for 3.5 seconds before the 200A ESC tapped out.
There, I just saved you $120 for a replacement T-180......

Hi Joel

What are you logger telling you on amp draw? Wouldn´t it be safe running the T-180 rev2? with extra caps on 4s maybe i should look into modding it with some better caps and shorter wires to them

[martin]

Quote 4s only 43.6k rpm , you say this as if its nothing. You need to be max 35000 rpm ie 1600kv on 6s.

[dirtnsnowrider]

Hmm.. how are people then running the 2350kv motor on 6s without any problems? thats 59.2k rpm

Excuse me for doubting, but with 4s i only at 43.6k rpm witch i got batteries for and was planning on running it on for fast runabout and 6s when i want some really fast runs. Do any of you have real life experience with this motor or the 2350kv?

Hmm.. Who exactly are these people making these claims? I would like to know so I will not buy anything they sell................

[Rocstar]

Hi Joel

What are you logger telling you on amp draw? Wouldn´t it be safe running the T-180 rev2? with extra caps on 4s maybe i should look into modding it with some better caps and shorter wires to them

I'd have to go back through and see, but it's irrelevant....I just noticed you said Genesis hull. It's just the wrong motor period for what you want. I have ran that hull on 6s with 1600kv motor pushing 60 mph. For sport boating that's all I would recommend for this hull. BTW, extra caps don't increases the capacitance of the ESC.

[kevinpratt823]

Hi

why will i burn my ecs? Motor amp is rated at 139A and i assume thats is at 23v? I read and see people are running TP 4050L 2350kv with 6s and turnigy 180A without any problems the motor is designed for boats as i know with big holes in the end bell

Would you kindle explain why i will have problems and burn the esc, or motor?

It is "rated" at 139A regaurdless of voltage, meaning the windings will not burn up at 139A. On 3s with a modest prop I would imagine the current would get over that. That "rating" does not mean it will only draw 139A. The higher the voltage, the higher the rpm's, higher the load, higher the amperage, and higher the heat. The "ratings" mean very little, and big holes in the end bell mean nothing also btw. If you try to run it on 6s, even with a small prop, I wouldn't be surprised if it draws close to 300 amps trying to accelerate...........
I am also very curious where you are reading and seeing people running a 2350 on 6s. I would think even that is on the far extreme end for lightwieght riggers making one or two SAW passes, but to me it still sound absurd.

[Alexgar]

I've run a c 2200 on 5 s and it came back to hot to touch and that motor is far superior to a tp motor

[Fluid]

The world's fastest R/C boat was turning aroun 45,000 rpm when it set the 140 mph record. Only a couple passes and back to the beach. I do not believe that "people" are running this motor successfully on 6S for normal sport boating. What is most disturbing is that the OP comes to this site asking for help, he is given solid recommendations, then he questions everything. I suggest we let him learn on his own, he doesn't seem to need any help...he has "people" to advise him.




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