Advice on a Joysway Seafire Super upgrade.

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  • flipper
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 16

    #1

    Advice on a Joysway Seafire Super upgrade.

    Hi,

    So I have one of these, http://www.joysway-hobby.com/Product_show.asp?proid=479 . Its a 580mm (hull length) 3 point hydro. I love it, easy to use, goes quick. A couple of things have been eating at me, well nibbling really:

    1: I would like to lower the current load on the batteries, it peaks around 102 Amps on 4s. It's not a ridiculous figure I know, but my current batteries run a bit warm. Granted this is might be more a reflection on the batteries, my current packs measure 14mill ohms and 10 mill ohms internal resistance, they aren't cheapo's by any means but maybe not as fresh as they once where.

    2: More speed would be nice.

    3: I have a Leopard LBP3674 2650Kv motor laying about.

    4: Motor runs warm to hot. A bit warm for my liking. (I can obtain a figure if need be)

    The stock motor is 4 pole, 36mm dia by 60mm long @ 3000kv (This figure is measured as Joysway don't give it a Kv spec, measured using drill press method and actually driving it, both methods point to around 3000kv).

    Stock ESC is 90A, 6s capable.

    Stock wattage is around 1350W with fresh batteries.

    Stock prop is 3 blade alloy at 37mm dia, no pitch data given.

    So I was pondering about maybe using the LBP3674 2650Kv on 6S, (I know this negates point 1: as I would have to buy new batteries) but I suspect this is not the way to go. I suspect a 40mm motor on a larger prop is going to be more like the job.

    Although I am a well experienced modeller, I have no problem making things "fit" and machining things if need be, I have little experience with this sort of thing.

    The question really is: Is a 40mm motor better suited ? and what size prop ?

    Any data you need just ask and I'll stick the logger in again and take it for a run. I have seen a few Youtube videos that offer sage advice on a good upgrade, but the vagueness is so stunning I have chosen to ignore them all.

    Cam.
  • Peter A
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Sep 2012
    • 1488

    #2
    Hi Cam, that leopard would be screaming on 4S (39220rpm) 2200kv would work well, on 6s (58830rpm), try 3s batts on the current setup (33300 rpm) which is more than enough for racing, alternativey try some smaller props. Also the esc is to small for the leo, a 40mm motor may be a bit big in that hull. As far as temps go, keep batts under 50 deg C, motor and esc can run up to this no problem generally. Bear this in mind with rtr boats, the are marketed to sell and will not neccesarily keep doing what the box says for very long!
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    • Matias777
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 19

      #3
      Hello Cam I got the leopard 3674 2650kv in a similar size hydro with a turnigy 180a esc , zippy 45c 5000mah battery and octura x442 runs fast and cool, if your batterys are struggling with 102 amps get new ones .

      Ps if you are using the 37mm stock prop the 3674 and 90amp esc on 4s will be fine 6s I wouldn't go there.

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      • Matias777
        Junior Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 19

        #4
        Hello Cam I got the leopard 3674 2650kv in a similar size hydro with a turnigy 180a esc , zippy 45c 5000mah battery and octura x442 runs fast and cool, if your batterys are struggling with 102 amps get new ones .

        Ps if you are using the 37mm stock prop the 3674 and 90amp esc on 4s will be fine 6s I wouldn't go there.

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        • flipper
          Junior Member
          • Jul 2011
          • 16

          #5
          Think I should have been a bit clearer, what ever I change it must result in more speed. Going slower or the same speed but cooler components is not enough on it's own. Sorry my fault for not ranking my thoughts.

          Originally posted by Peter A
          Hi Cam, that leopard would be screaming on 4S ............
          My line of thought was: we currently have 1350watts on 4s (13.2v under load) @ 102A peak, if we go to 22.2v we can get 1700watts ish @ only 80A ish, therefore lowering the load on both the ESC and the batteries. I also reasoned that the increased wattage may require I motor in a bigger can.

          My next thought was I feel like 44400RPM (14.8v x 3000Kv) is a lot, so I go for less Kv, but lower RPM means lower speed, so then I reasoned to adjust the prop to get me back past my original speed.

          Originally posted by Peter A
          Bear this in mind with rtr boats, the are marketed to sell and will not neccesarily keep doing what the box says for very long!
          So far is has been very reliable, but I fully understand you on this point.

          Originally posted by Matias777
          Hello Cam I got the leopard 3674 2650kv in a similar size hydro with a turnigy 180a esc , zippy 45c 5000mah battery and octura x442 runs fast and cool.
          Thanks Matias, reports form similar setups are worth their weight in gold. How many cells is this on ?

          Hope this makes more sense.

          Cam.
          Last edited by flipper; 06-30-2013, 06:36 AM.

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