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  • electric
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • May 2008
    • 1744

    #1

    ESC - AMPS vs Volts

    Somehow I am certain this question does not have a simple answer. I see there are two Castle ESC's for about the same price. One is the 240amp hydra and the new one is the 120amp Hydra with a 50VOLT max. Which is the better one for lets say a 30" boat and why? Really, are you better off running more volts than more amps to get your power?
  • Mich. Maniac
    Banned
    • Apr 2007
    • 1384

    #2
    The actually quite simple answer is yes. Amps = heat which='s burnt esc's and batts. running higher voltage with lower amps usually works better, they can still run high in amperage which I will let someone else explain but its got something to do with voltage drop.

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    • NorthernBoater
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2007
      • 811

      #3
      For a 30" boat the HV 240 is overkill. The basic concept is power which is
      Watts = Amps * Volts. If you want to run at 1480 W which is about 2 horsepower you could either run 4s at 100 A or run 8s at 50 A. In both cases you will have the same amount of power but on 8s you will be running less amps which equates to less heat generated. Also keep in mind the Feiago motors are not good for over 60-80 amps.

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      • NorthernBoater
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2007
        • 811

        #4
        Originally posted by Mich. Maniac
        The actually quite simple answer is yes. Amps = heat which='s burnt esc's and batts. running higher voltage with lower amps usually works better, they can still run high in amperage which I will let someone else explain but its got something to do with voltage drop.
        The other reason to run a high voltage setup is the more current you draw the greater the voltage drop across the battery will be. Look at these graphs as an example. The different colored lines represent different discharge rates.

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        • Mich. Maniac
          Banned
          • Apr 2007
          • 1384

          #5
          Originally posted by NorthernBoater
          For a 30" boat the HV 240 is overkill. The basic concept is power which is
          Watts = Amps * Volts. If you want to run at 1480 W which is about 2 horsepower you could either run 4s at 100 A or run 8s at 50 A. In both cases you will have the same amount of power but on 8s you will be running less amps which equates to less heat generated. Also keep in mind the Feiago motors are not good for over 60-80 amps.
          spot on, spot on

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          • FL-E-Boater
            Member
            • Dec 2007
            • 44

            #6
            Graphs? Where?

            Originally posted by NorthernBoater
            The other reason to run a high voltage setup is the more current you draw the greater the voltage drop across the battery will be. Look at these graphs as an example. The different colored lines represent different discharge rates.

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            • electric
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • May 2008
              • 1744

              #7
              Thanks for the information I have purchased the 120amp/50volt Hydra. I am going to run 9xl Fiego with an Oval Master 27. What do you think would be the top voltage I should run with that? I have some 11.1 volt lipoly cells on hand that I will try first. I did see someone comment on 8s, seems like that might be the max yes?
              Last edited by electric; 05-17-2008, 08:19 PM.

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              • electric
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • May 2008
                • 1744

                #8
                Here are some batteries I am looking at. Not much MAH, but I just want enough to do a few top end runs for speed. (having a straightline speed competition with my brother).

                Poly RC PQ-3200XQ-4S Li-Poly Battery In Stock $159.99
                14.8V 3200mAh (4 cells) 30C/60C
                Rating: 30C (96.0A) continuous, 60C (192.0A) burst
                Dimension: 150mm x 47mm x 26mm
                Weight: 343 grams
                Termination: Wire & PolyQuest/Hyperion tap

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                • NorthernBoater
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 811

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FL-E-Boater
                  Graphs? Where?
                  Here is the link, http://www.neumotors.com/20061222/Ba...test_data.html. I forgot to put it.

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                  • DISAR
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 1072

                    #10
                    I tried 3s and 4s setups in my 36" mono, with different propellers. With the 3s the best speed was with a 48mm prop. and with the 4s best speed was with 45mm. It needs testing! With the 3s max.amps was about 65A and with the 4s 75A. Of course Watts were higher in 4s. I recorded these values with an Eagle Tree system. The higher the voltage you have, the smaller propeller you should use to avoid burning ESC and motor. For a 27" I guess a prop. around 40mm for 4s will be Ok. For 6s, 37mm.
                    Twin Cat 135, Sprintcat40 (single-twin), DF 35", Maritimo, Mean Machine, SV 27
                    http://www.rcfastboats.com/

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                    • D. Newland
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 1022

                      #11
                      9XL and Ovalmaster 26 = 4S Lipos. X440 prop for starters. That will make a very fast (but not too fast) setup to get your feet wet-so to speak.

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                      • Eyekandyboats
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 1921

                        #12
                        Originally posted by NorthernBoater
                        For a 30" boat the HV 240 is overkill. The basic concept is power which is
                        Watts = Amps * Volts. If you want to run at 1480 W which is about 2 horsepower you could either run 4s at 100 A or run 8s at 50 A. In both cases you will have the same amount of power but on 8s you will be running less amps which equates to less heat generated. Also keep in mind the Feiago motors are not good for over 60-80 amps.
                        huh ? i use a 240 in a 25 inch mono, a 27 inch rigger ... on 2s
                        over kill, no not at all.
                        EYEKANDYGRAPHICS

                        www.rclipos.com

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                        • Mich. Maniac
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 1384

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Eyekandyboats
                          huh ? i use a 240 in a 25 inch mono, a 27 inch rigger ... on 2s
                          over kill, no not at all.
                          A HV 240? didnt think they would work under 3S

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                          • Eyekandyboats
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 1921

                            #14
                            no a regular 240. but we are talking about 4s setups so regardless a HV and a LV will do the same job
                            but i use a HV in a 4s boat that is 30 inches
                            Last edited by Eyekandyboats; 05-19-2008, 07:32 PM.
                            EYEKANDYGRAPHICS

                            www.rclipos.com

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                            • Mich. Maniac
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 1384

                              #15
                              Wish I was spoiled, I mean rich enough to run that kinda setup

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