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I would like to buy a catamaran with some of the hardware installed. I don't yet have enough knowledge to start with a bare hull. I want a cat in the 40 to 45mph area. Was thinking of the Hobbyking Super Surge and changing out the ESC and motor but per this forum, the hull is a bit questionable. Looking for suggestions and opinions. Thanks!
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It would help if you had an idea on the size and cost of the boat. Either the AQ Motley Crew or PB Miss Geico/Blackjack-29 are good places to start and will get you the speeds you want. Used ones can be found on the for sale forums.
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Looking to spend around 450. Not sure on size.Comment
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You could buy the Genesis from Hobbyking and have money left over to upgrade.Comment
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I agree with Skullcracken above. Seriously consider the Genesis also from Hobby King. A better choice in my opinion from several points. First the boat is larger and very popular. Check on this forum, I am not sure any other brand of boat has the number of comments the Genesis has. Few (if any) real complaints. True you have to buy the ESC as it is not included but you were considering changing out the ESC anyway. Your speed expectations are easily achieved with the Genesis in stock form. Go ahead and order the Genesis.
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I have seen quite a few postings that say the Genesis is a flimsy hull. Is this true?Comment
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The Genesis is has a scale bottom, with no ride pads. This makes for a good straight-line hull, but poor stability in the turns. The overall quality of the proboat and AQ models will be higher as well.Comment
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I have no reason to push the Genesis other than I think it is a great boat and a good value. I come from the competion side of the model boat hobby for over 40 years of experience and you either have guys saying the boat is too heavy or too flimsy. I would tell anyone that would listen the Genesis is a light high performing hull for 50 plus mph. If you start uping the power to go over 60 mph you need to add some stiffening to the stress areas of the hull or it will develope stress fractures. that said don't take my word for it and do some research on this forum. There are few complaints about the quality of the hull for operaing within its designed area of performance, It you push it to run 85 mph like some of the You Tube videos you really should look for another boat. However, I disagree that the Proboat and Aquacraft boats are higher quality. Also the whole boat not just the bottom is based on the full scale Mystic 50 footer. Ride pads and handling on cats are a myth. The Genesis does not hook or spin out like most of the shorter and wider model cats. So if you can drive as well as understand there is a speed control for a reason and if get to know the limits of your boat you should be very happy no matter what boat you choose.
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This is true I have a AQ Motely Crew and my friend has a PB Mystic and from what I understand the Mystic Miss Gieco and the Black jack are all the same Hull and I know me and him both feel the Motelty Crew has Stiffer Fiberglass and does not feel as flimsy.
All I can say is if it were me I would get a AQ Motley Crew it is a great handling boat and is very fast stock right out of the box and has a really nice Futaba designed Tatic Radio,I just put about the 4th or 5th run on my MC with my brand new packs and now that the pack's are starting to breakin I'm really getting much more speed as well,the olny thing I changed on my AQ Motly Crew is I put on the reccomended GrimRacer Metal Prop that AquaCraft sell's for it as I feel Plastic Prop's really suck as they never last,I would get the Motley Crew if I were you and you will hve money left over to put toward's a Bare Hull that you want to build,I find as well corning at full speed as tight as you want is know problem either and it is just a great all round handling boat.
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If I go with the Genesis, what motor, ESC and lipo combo would you suggest to achieve a speed in the mid 40's mph?Comment
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Are all the genesis hulls manufactured by the same company? If not, who do you suggest I buy from.Comment
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Just as a heads up, I had a Genesis up till yesterday, as I was cleaning my flex I noticed the hull was split in the front. I always liked the looks of the hull but after have one I would say go with something else. They are good for straight line runs but not for turning at ALL. All I can say is do some reading on it before you buy one as a lot of people including my self had and have problems with it taking off to the right by its self and then let the barrel rolls begin. You can get them to go fast in straight line but if trying to run with other you will have to turn some time and the Genesis just won't do it. Just my to cents.Modified Jae21, Stock Jae21, Cheetah, Ul-1, Shock Wave 26 V2 (Rescue Boat).Comment
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As an owner of a long skinny cat (H&M) as well as a Motley Crew, I can tell you I'd never own another long skinny hull again, great in a straight line, turns like a drunk pig on ice!
Last time out I must have hauled that thing in upside down at least half a dozen times, every time I was trying to turn the boat just a little too fast and it barrel rolled.
Unbelievable in a straight line though, planning on getting some good video and putting it up for sale, only ran the boat 3 outings and do not like it at all!
The MC can literally run circles around it although it is slower in the straights.
Long and skinny is great if you looking for all out straight line speed, not so good for a heat racing boat where you have to go around a course and deal with rough water from other boats in the turns.If my boats upside down then who owns the one I thought I was driving the last two laps?
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So your looking to spend around 450? HK surge crusher would be a good choice. I don't fancy much on genesis, I have few friend having issue with the stock setup, particularly on the drive system.Stiletto tunnel,EPV135 (53") twin cat, CT06"Spirit of Qatar", FD 47" mono, Twin Mini Cat 23.5"Comment
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Wow, more negitive remarks. My friend SiberianHusky only ran his 3 outings. Some other posters stated they had a friend that had one. I can not defend open ended bad experiences third hand. I can only say in my circle of Fast electric guys we have perhaps 8 or 9 Genesis boats and one guy has had his for over 5 years and runs it regularly. All of my remarks are based on actual ownership and operation. I also have one of the Montley Crew boats that I got used from a guy that didn't like it because he couldn't keep it straight without hooking. However, my Genesis has only flipped upside down 3 or 4 times in perhaps 75 runs on a IMPBA course. Large wide rounded turns. I do not slow down very much in turns but I do setup for the turns unlike most other guys that just aim the boats and slap rudder every few seconds. Yes, I have barrel rolled a couple of times and I have gone airborn a few times getting the setup right when it was new. I have never,repeat never hooked or spun out. I have yet to see the shorter cats being mentioned here that can say the same.
Regarding drive line problems. None of my friend's or I have had any real problems with the drive line in stock form. When this does become a problem it is almost always related to running 6S or better battery power without upgrading to a 3/16th flex setup, which I did do.
GFM1135, if you should buy the HobbyKing Genesis go with the almost ready to run version and buy a couple of 4S batteries, a Octura M442 prop and a Turnigy T-180 ESC. The Turnigy T-120 would work also for less money but if you stay in this hobby for more than a few months the T-180 is the better investment. Regardless you should have no problem running close to 50 mph in stock form.
Regarding who else makes the Genesis? I think whoever sells the actual painted Genesis gets it from the same source. Fighter Cat sells (sold?) the same hull in both fiberglass and Carbon Fiber but it is not painted from the factory like the Genesis.
Final remarks: GFM, you are facing the same decisions and choices each one of us had to face or consider before spending our personal money on one of these boats. If you have a good experience you will stay with this hobby for a long time, if you make a bad choice you will be out of it faster than you came in. This forum is a pretty good source of information to help you make smart choices. Just take all the remarks from everybody, including mine, with a grain of salt. Ready or almost ready to run are quick ways to get started but nothing will mean as much to you as the first boat you build yourself after you get a little experience. Believe me, if you do this right you will get another boat before long, these boats are habit forming.
As long as you stay with any of the forementioned boats in this thread you should have a good experience.
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