P-Ltd. Offshore

[madmikepags]

I love cats too, but after running my 7 year old Titan 29 at the canada and Mi race with the gear drive and a ul-1 motor (btw w that combo I ran a 450/2 with about 5" of cup!!!) The boat was fast and couold run the pins and through the ofshore buoy as good as my Q-offshore cat. I am hooked back on my Titan 29!!! Terry and mike can tell u it was pretty good! Not quite as fast as mikes boat but it held it's own!!!!

[RandyatBBY]

After running the Miss Geico and the Mystic a LOT at the Nationals... I'm still not convinced that a Cat isn't just as competitive in Offshore as a Mono... I was certainly as fast, or faster, then most of the monos... It it was the tight turns that were the issue, and I think I've figured out why.

If you have the RPMs to run a smaller prop, then the MG/Mystic won't "trip" nearly as much, if at all. I was trying to run a 1500KV setup with a HUGE wheel, and the boat worked perfectly, about 80% of the time... It would be going along just fine, running in the lead, or battling at the front, and then, almost instantly, it would just grab and roll-over in the turns.


Like Jay said, it's all going to come down to setup and driving.

Big props have a tendency to over power the rudder servo. A smaller prop will settle the boat down and allow the servo to do it job.

[Darin Jordan]

Big props have a tendency to over power the rudder servo. A smaller prop will settle the boat down and allow the servo to do it job.

Good Thoughts, Randy... I'll have to check to see which servo I have in the MG... Could also be an issue with the stock steering rod, with is only about 2-56 sized. Might be time to upgrade! :)

[jfrancisco892]

I love cats too, but after running my 7 year old Titan 29 at the canada and Mi race with the gear drive and a ul-1 motor (btw w that combo I ran a 450/2 with about 5" of cup!!!) The boat was fast and couold run the pins and through the ofshore buoy as good as my Q-offshore cat. I am hooked back on my Titan 29!!! Terry and mike can tell u it was pretty good! Not quite as fast as mikes boat but it held it's own!!!!

Somehow mike's boats always manage to be extremely fast. He's gotta be spraying it!(If you know what i mean)

[RandyatBBY]

Good Thoughts, Randy... I'll have to check to see which servo I have in the MG... Could also be an issue with the stock steering rod, with is only about 2-56 sized. Might be time to upgrade! :)

Ya know it made a big differance in my Hooters when I went from a 2-56 (.072 Dia) to a 4-40 (.093 Dia.) rods that surprise spin out quit. I also changed the servo for a stronger one.

[Doby]

Ran a DF 29 2 years ago....Ran a Motley Crew last year and early this year.....now running the Revolt..... Deep V's are better in Offshore. Just have to figure out how to beat Pags now...

[madmikepags]

Catch me if you can!!!!!!! LOL lovin my titan, made some changes too faster and more stable now.

[T.S.Davis]

If you push hard enough to beat our gang with a cat there is a strong possibility you'll be upside down. It's size of our pond, the shape of the pond, the other boats you run against, that weird wind pattern that seems to gust off the culvert in turn 2 and coming into 3.

It's not automatic that you'll be upside down. You can certainly finish with the cats but you have to work the throttle well, recognize wave patterns that are going to give you grief, know when the wind is too much in that one spot. Ugh. Now be in the right place on the course too. It's just a lot of work. While you're doing all that driving and working the throttle the mono guy is pretty much wide open. He may let off to turn but not like I do with the Mystic. The best running cat in our club is 50 laps from first place.

I so so so would love it if we had the numbers to run cats and monos seperate. That would be cool.

[Fluid]

....my 7 year old Titan 29 at the canada and Mi race with the gear drive and a ul-1 motor (btw w that combo I ran a 450/2 with about 5" of cup!!!) The boat was fast and couold run the pins and through the ofshore buoy as good as my Q-offshore cat. I am hooked back on my Titan 29!!!!

One of our club members runs his Titan with a UL-1 motor in an FD gear drive, it is very fast but my MC can out run it. It is just as touchy about blowing over as any cat - you have to drive it, it isn't a point-and-shoot boat. And some cats are far less prone to blowing over than others are.

BTW, all my boats have digital servos in them, even the Limited boats have over 90 in-oz of torque. The strong servos help a lot to hold a turn or straight line regardless of the prop used. A $12 servo is not the best route to winning races. And you need a large enough rudder to make that left turn, something a lot of folks don't think about.


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[Darin Jordan]

BTW, all my boats have digital servos in them, even the Limited boats have over 90 in-oz of torque. The strong servos help a lot to hold a turn or straight line regardless of the prop used. A $12 servo is not the best route to winning races. And you need a large enough rudder to make that left turn, something a lot of folks don't think about.

The MG, Mystic, and IM31 all come standard with a digital servo. However, it has nylon gears, and it's specs say it's "40-99oz" at 4.8V... (http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...oat-PRB8061#t2) which seems like a generic rating... or they just aren't sure... I'm betting it's based on this Spektrum servo, which list "58oz" @ 4.8V...

I have to look again, but I'm certain that my MG for the Nats had an S6020 or S6030 servo in it. The S6020 has [email protected] and the S6030 has [email protected]... Either way, I don't think the issue I was having was servo related in this particular boat. I DO think the stock rudder shape, as well as the HUGE prop I was trying to turn, combined to cause the issues. I wasn't blowing off the water... the boat was light and stable down the straights. It was generally in the really hard right-hand turn at the end of the back-straight where it would grab the outside sponson and roll. I have some thoughts to try to see if I can alleviate that issue without hurting the performance anywhere else, but Jay is absolutely right in commenting about the rudder. I discovered some things concerning rudder shape and size on these boats that makes a discernible difference in how they perform. Put some of it to the test on my 27" modified Mystic, and ended up with a National Championship because of it...

I agree with Terry, also... if you are going to compete with a cat, you have a harder road on most courses. It has to be not only setup correctly, but also driven with a lot of attention. Monos just have it easier...

[RandyatBBY]

well put guys

[madmikepags]

Servos on any boat is not a place you should skimp even in the p-limited class I have an old servo but it's got over 150 oz/in or tq the servo tape and glue actually gave out (after 7 years) at the mi race about 3-4 laps in during the 3rd heat, IF that didn't happen I was out front and gone for the day, but it made for better racing I only won by less than a lap, and yes I know about IF!!!! ( IF my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle)!!!!! I've always wanted to do a 29" sprintcat, I had one all laid up by Remy lightweight, no gelcoat, I just for the life of me can't remember what I did with it? I think I sold it but I don't remember. My Q OFF (sprintcat .40) is better than any mono in that class, it runs 60mph for 4 minutes and turns on a dime, almost never have to let off in chop or thru the offshore buoy, but it's got 4-5 lbs of battery (6S 10,1000 mah) holding it down!!! I got a new project for the winter I think!!!!

[BILL OXIDEAN]

Servos on any boat is not a place you should skimp even in the p-limited class I have an old servo but it's got over 150 oz/in or tq the servo tape and glue actually gave out (after 7 years) at the mi race about 3-4 laps in during the 3rd heat, IF that didn't happen I was out front and gone for the day, but it made for better racing I only won by less than a lap, and yes I know about IF!!!! ( IF my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle)!!!!! I've always wanted to do a 29" sprintcat, I had one all laid up by Remy lightweight, no gelcoat, I just for the life of me can't remember what I did with it? I think I sold it but I don't remember. My Q OFF (sprintcat .40) is better than any mono in that class, it runs 60mph for 4 minutes and turns on a dime, almost never have to let off in chop or thru the offshore buoy, but it's got 4-5 lbs of battery (6S 10,1000 mah) holding it down!!! I got a new project for the winter I think!!!!

Wussup Mike, I rescued a sprint cat off CL for 40 bux!!
I remembered seeing how stable yours was, so I said what the heck.
Its a really old layup like from the late eighties early nineties probably like "93"
Figure it'd make a fun winter project for 2013 nats.

Seriously though, yours was the one I had in mind when I bought it. Yours ran killer.

[madmikepags]

Hey wilmer thanks, I have a lot of time in that boat. They are pretty much all the same old and new, the older ones are probably a little heavier and maybe even built a little better too? I run a 1527/1Y on 6S2P for offshore racing If I were doing it again for just sprint racing I would use the 1530/1.5D about 100 more KV but lots more grunt, I don't know if it would work for offshore though.