2s racing?

[T.S.Davis]

Who's doing this? Mono, hydro, sport, offshore? How are the classes attended?

I'm just curious if there are many clubs/districts still running 2s powered classes on a regular basis.

I think the Jersey boys are still running some N1 mono on brushed motors. The brushed motors being a club thing.

I may ask elseswhere too. Looking ahead for my own fleet kind of thing. Like a quest for knowledge.

[Ken Haines]

Hey Terry,
I Race:
N2- Mono
N2-Offshore
N2-Sport
N2-Hydro (one of my favorite classes)
All of this you may already know, but race them only at the Nats and the Georgia IMPBA Races.
Our club runs only SV 27's as club classes, but we all have other boats
that are generally just run at the club for fun, even a few with N2 boats.
Hope that helped,
Ken

[T.S.Davis]

That's kinda what I was looking for. I couldn't think of any clubs/dudes that I knew were running them other than at the nationals.

I wonder if Dave keeps track of boat counts at the nats from year to year. I never thought to do it. Would have been good to know. Help choose future builds etc.

We have a class list we used for the Shootout that seems to be working locally. Not for club racing. More like the 300 mile radius circuit. We stuck with classes we knew our expected attendees already owned boats for. Surprised spec hydro was a bust though. Weird.

N2,N1,M classes don't make much sense to me anymore. Not saying "let's dump em" but that doesn't mean I have to support them. Not because I don't want to dump them. Just because I don't want to hear it from the "must have 40 classes crowd". Plus N1 being the sacred cow from the 80's always gets a rise out of people. Ahhhhhhh.

I just don't want to build more boats for classes nobody runs. .......although, I am going to build a T mono just for you Ken. It will be all wood and dead sexy. Maybe next summer we can rub paint. Well gel coat to urethane......um......ewe.....you know what I mean.

[Brushless55]

What's a good Hydro for N2?
thanks... NAMBA20 is looking into adding this class next year

[Fluid]

We are running an N-2 Sport Hydro club class, all boats are powered by a Feigao 7L and x440 prop. Speeds are low/mid 40s. We have several Dark Horse and scratch designs, all old LSH hulls. This power setup gives lower speeds which are more suitable for these small hulls. Close racing = lots of fun.



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[RandyatBBY]

We are building classes hear in D-9 after me being sick all the FE racing about died. But it is coming back now several of the Nitro guys are going to build P LTD classes. I love all N-2 classes but Just Wilmer, Rich and my self run them.

[TRUCKPULL]

Terry
I still run N2
Mono
Offshore
Sport Hydro

There are one or two other people in the club in Florida that run N2 also.

Larry

[D. Newland]

Here's what I have at my fingertips. Not entirely conclusive because geography/attendance comes into play.

2010 Colorado Nat's.....................2012 Legg Lake Nats

N-2 Mono 8..........................................9
N-2 Offshore 8.......................................9
N-2 Hydro 7..........................................4 (1 was a cat)
N-2 Sport 7..........................................4


P-Ltd Mono (not run).........................16
P-Ltd Offshore 22..............................17
P-Ltd Hydro 14...................................10
P-Ltd Sport (LSH) 22...........................17


Just as we're seeing with N-1, it's the mono classes that will be the best populated...or the last to die. There are clearly 2 opinions about N-2. It should get cut, or it should still be supported. Both have their merits, too. Personally, I hung up my N-2 rigger and sport hydro. But I still dig my mono, knowing it only comes out for a Nat's. And, I'm pointing new racers in the P-Ltd and P direction.

[Fluid]

While my club will continue to run N-2 as long as we have boats (no additional cost and limited power so we don't burn up equipment), I personally believe that N-2 should be eliminated from national NAMBA classes. P-limited fulfills the same role as N-2, there is no need to have "duplicate" classes. Yes they are not identical, but the speeds are similar with much higher stress on the N-2 boats. IMO anyway.



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[Darin Jordan]

N-2 Hydro 7..........................................4 (1 was a cat)

And it happened to also be the winner... Hehehehe...

[jimi911]

We are running an N-2 Sport Hydro club class, all boats are powered by a Feigao 7L and x440 prop. Speeds are low/mid 40s. We have several Dark Horse and scratch designs, all old LSH hulls. This power setup gives lower speeds which are more suitable for these small hulls. Close racing = lots of fun.



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That's a great class. For the old Metro Marine folks. Imagine racing that class, LSO, P-Spec mono, and OPC at humber. Could be done :)

[Darin Jordan]

There are clearly 2 opinions about N-2. It should get cut, or it should still be supported.

There is actually a fairly well supported, though vocally quiet, third option... "UN-Open" the class... in other words... put some reasonable limits on the motor selection and make it back into the "step-into-boat-racing-from-cars" class it should be.

If you didn't change anything else in the class, but limited the motor selection to only those motors approved by ROAR, not including those approved as 1:8 or 1:5 buggy motors (only allow the ROAR 05, 540, or 550 sized motors listed in the brushed and brushless "Approved Motor Lists"), you'd have yourself a viable class with LOTs of motor selection, but without the insane amp draws and ESC/Battery requirements.

And I would then, drop N1... or, rather... N1 would simply become another viable power system for the "new" N2 class... Maybe drop the 1 and 2 and just call it "N"...

NOT lobbying for this by any means... just putting it out there.

Here are the current listings of ROAR approvals:

BRUSHED MOTORS:

http://www.roarracing.com/approvals/print_smotor.php

BRUSHLESS MOTORS:

http://www.roarracing.com/approvals/print_brushlessmotors.php

[Fluid]

ANOTHER limited class Darin? I know, you are not lobbying for it and I'm not really arguing against it, just pointing out some realities and asking some questions. Since most successful entry-level boats are 4S already, why have ANOTHER entry level class? Why make things more complicated - why not make things simpler by reducing the number of classes? Make it easier for newbies to choose an entry class. Increase the chances for larger numbers of entries in each class instead of vanity classes which can just clog up the flow of the race. Four N-2 Sport entries at the Nats versus 17 P-Limited entries? Why bother?




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[Darin Jordan]

Why bother?

Well...

1) 1 2S1P 5000 pack is WAY less expensive than 1 4S1P pack
2) A charger to CHARGE a 2S pack can be had much cheaper than a charger to charge a 4S pack, or TWO 2S1P packs
3) Since NAMBA SUCKS at figuring out how to truely set limits, why not take advantage of the ROAR research and network to help out.
4) Would slow the boats down a tad and provide a place for the smaller sized hulls to run. Would be more appropriate speeds and boat sizes for many of the smaller race sites.


Just a few of the reasons...

I'll let you wear the "reduce the number of classes" target... I just thought I'd throw this idea out there... Like I said, it's not a new idea and has been talked about by people here on the West Coast for some time. And, it WOULD basically eliminate N1, and probably M2 as well, since they are generally already using a version of these power systems and would fit into the "new" rules.... :)

I don't really care one way or the other, since I decided that, after this last Nats, I really don't have any personal interest in running boats of this nature any longer. N2 is just too damn hard on batteries and power systems for the performance level. There just isn't that much of a difference between an N2 setup and a P-Ltd setup, from a performance perpective...

[line6]

I like N2. Do what u want at the club level. But for the Nats. Why not offer every class you can. Depending on the area and the guys that travel to these races you might be surprised. If it makes the numbers it makes it, if not then cut the class that year no big deal. I could be wrong but im almost certain, we had more N2 mono's & n2 Off, than Pltd Tunnels and Pltd Cats. I think it was close.( Dave if u can look it up ) I know we had a tun of Tunnels in FL. last year. Just depends on who shows up.


Jason Sims