Genesis Pricing, Specs, Recommendations

[Emdev2]

Hello all!

New to the forum and Rc boating but have had Rc electric cars since I was a teen.

Looking to possibly get a Genesis twin boat model 1122L with the dual ESC and dual motor ARTR setup the standard stuff that comes from the factory from TFL hobby. I was quoted 375.00 total shipped to USA from Hong Kong. Is this a good price for this setup? Does anyone know if I can better? If so where? Is this boat worth it? Is there a big advantage with going with the twin motor setup verses the single? I love the way this thing looks and the You Tube videos show that this thing can fly. What kind of speeds can I expect out of the box with the recommend factory battery setup? In your opinion is this a good choice? Any other boat a better value? Any input would be helpful. Thanks!

[Emdev2]

I know this is a popular choice someone must be able to help me?

[Basstronics]

Single screw from HK is $193 + shipping.

Depends on what motor and hardware is coming with it?

Price dont seem bad if it has good motors/esc. If its got the real cheap stuff then not so good of a deal.

The proboat cats look good. The AQ Motley Crew looks good as well.

Ive had a Ms Geico on my bench before. Ive seen the Genesis now too. I would go for the Geico/Mystic/Blackjack or the AQ Motley Crew. Thats for a good RTR. None of these boats are twins.

If you want a twin the Zonda cat @ kintec looks nice. However its well over $375...

[Emdev2]

Single screw from HK is $193 + shipping.

Depends on what motor and hardware is coming with it?

Price dont seem bad if it has good motors/esc. If its got the real cheap stuff then not so good of a deal.

The proboat cats look good. The AQ Motley Crew looks good as well.

Ive had a Ms Geico on my bench before. Ive seen the Genesis now too. I would go for the Geico/Mystic/Blackjack or the AQ Motley Crew. Thats for a good RTR. None of these boats are twins.

If you want a twin the Zonda cat @ kintec looks nice. However its well over $375...

Thanks for the reply. What makes the Geico/Mystic/Blackjack or the AQ Motley Crew better than the Genesis? Are those comparable in price, quality? Are either available in a two motor setup?

[Heaving Earth]

Geico handles better. Genesis goes great in a str8 line but turns like rubbish

[Basstronics]

Price is comparable/less than the price you got on the Genesis twin.

The Genesis is long but its not very wide. The other boats are not as long (30" vs 41") but they are considerably wider (11" vs 9 5/8"). I know the widths arent to far off, but the length is what kind of makes it disproportionate.

The boats I listed are not available as twins (except Zonda).

\Judging by your questions I would assume you are new to the hobby. Given that I would go more towards the higher quality/less issues RTR from Proboat or Aquacraft. Steve has a good price on the Mystic brushless to. You would get it WAY quicker than anything from Hong Kong also...

[Emdev2]

Price is comparable/less than the price you got on the Genesis twin.

The Genesis is long but its not very wide. The other boats are not as long (30" vs 41") but they are considerably wider (11" vs 9 5/8"). I know the widths arent to far off, but the length is what kind of makes it disproportionate.

The boats I listed are not available as twins (except Zonda).

\Judging by your questions I would assume you are new to the hobby. Given that I would go more towards the higher quality/less issues RTR from Proboat or Aquacraft. Steve has a good price on the Mystic brushless to. You would get it WAY quicker than anything from Hong Kong also...

What quality issues does the Genesis have? Plus the only thing I go back too is like you said none of these have twin motor setup's except the Zonda but that one is a lot more money.

What makes the Genesis turn bad? Doesn't the twin motor setup turn better than the single motor setup because of where the rudder and the props are between the two?

Am I correct to assume that all the boats you mentioned are fiberglass?

[Emdev2]

Specs

I know it was brought up that the price I was quoted was good or not depending on the parts included. Below are the parts list I was just sent for the twin motor setup. Everything is stock equipment that comes direct from TFL Hobby. Can you tell if the price is a good deal now?

1122-Genesis
Descrition Part No. Unit No. of Unit
Power
3660 KV 2070 Brushless Motor 142B64-A Piece 2
3660 Water Cooling Jacket for Motor 532B40 Piece 2
36 series motor Mount 523B25 Set 2
120A ESC 151B72 Piece 2
Y-cable 153B13 Piece 1
Drive
5*4 collet (for left and right lay cable)
529B31 Pair 2
φ4 cable 510B30A280 Piece L=280
φ4 cable (right lay) 510B31-R-A280 Piece L=280
φ4*62 prop shaft (left) 511B22 Piece 1
φ4*62 prop shaft (right) 511B22-R Piece 1
φ4 drive dog 518B20 Piece 2
M4*8mm prop nut(left) 518B50 Piece 1
M4*8mm prop nut(right) 518B50R Piece 1
5036 left propellor 5B13*36 Piece 1
5036 right propellor 5B13*36R Piece 1
6mm*0.2mm thick stainless steel tube with teflon lining
212B15，514B15-200 Piece 2
Hardware (Transom)
110mm rudder 502B20-A Set 1
80mm stinger (left) 503B53 Set 1
80mm stinger (right) 503B53-A Set 1
Hardware (Hatch and Body)
Φ4.6 tubing holder 522B25 Piece 1
17mm easy grip hatch nob 530B10 Piece 1
Antenna mount 533B10 Piece 1
Antenna Tube 533B20 Piece 1
Y shape splitter 4mm 521B80 Piece 1
32mm long water bellow 213B55 Piece 1
φ5*φ3 silicone tubing 213B20 Piece L=1200
φ2 push rod 520B40 Piece L=270
M6 water outlet 521B40 Piece 2

[Basstronics]

Quality issues? Im not that familiar with them. But generally I would say inferior electrics, and thin fiberglass.

Those specs dont tell you what brand/manufacturer the motor/esc are. After a quick look at their site I can tell that the motors are no-name ones. Sure they will run, but not the best. They are not Leopards/TP Power/Neu/Castle or the likes. I could only imagine the ESCs are in the same category.

Understand that if you go this route you will more than likely end up replacing motors and ESC's in the near future. That expense alone will be into the $350+ range ($160 for two Hobbywing 120's, $200ish for two replacement motors). So that will put you total price around the Zonda cat... Not sure what motors/esc the Zonda has either. But it does have a CF hull :)

It seems evident you want a twin cat. Keithbradley here on the forums custom builds cats and you could order a twin from him setup ready to go with quality electrics. Or you could go about this the hard way. Its all a matter of money and if you would rather pay now or pay later. In the end you will get what you pay for. There is no free lunch.

I would still advise one of the Proboats or Aquacraft in the end.

[Emdev2]

Possible choice added into the mix.

Thanks for your input you do have a good point on the electronics. Something for me to think about.

I was just on Hobby Kings website and noticed that they also have a couple boats called the Apparition and Apparition II that are available in both a single and dual motor setups. It seems to be similar to the Genesis. How do these two compare?

Handling, quality of construction, speed?

[brew99]

The Apparition is a 32" cat, so a little smaller than the genesis. They are made by the same company, so from what I have heard, the hardware is the same. I run a single apparition, and it is a good boat (known good hull), but I immediately replaced the motor and bought a T180 ESC even before the first run. I've had no issues yet, except for a bit of water coming up the stuffing tube, and a bit of heatshrink where the tube and strut meet has almost stopped it.

I'm curious why you would want a dual set-up for your first boat? There is a larger cost, more things to go wrong, and in the case of the apparition, the dual was marginally faster than the single (based on a Youtube comparison).

[Basstronics]

You seem to have your great set on duals just beware the electrics wtol cost double :)

[Heaving Earth]

Twin vs single motor setup will not designate turning capability really. The hull is still the same, and will perform the same. The motors that come in the genisis are garbage. Same goes for the apparition. Both are decent hulls. Like the others mentioned, you will most likely need to replace them. If you want a reliable fast twin, you have to shell out the dough man. Fact. Think more about the single if you're on a budget. More experienced boaters can build their own twin cats on a budget, but you have little experience obviously, and I doubt you're gonna go that route

[Jason4636]

I'm new to this also, but IMO I would stay away from anything that has twins!! Reasons; twice the cost of repair, twice the setup, twice of everything. If your starting out I would stick to a single. Granted a twin does look cool. But look at it this way. Do you wanna look cool sitting at the beach working on your dual setup? Or be out having fun with a single setup, and learning valuable info while your doing that. To put it forward into building your own dual setup later on down the line.

I'm new to this and all I have right now is a Motley Crew that I'm in the process of rebuilding. And how "basstronics" mentioned Keith Bradley. I have him building me a 41" CF Fantasm that should be shipped tomorrow. But its still a single drive, and thats how I wanted it.

[Prop-a-Gator]

The Genesis is a scale replica of the Mystic C5000-R race boat. It looks great IMO, but is less forgiving in turns than the boats Bass suggested. Those boats are less scale and designed to handle well with more width vs length and flat ride pads. The Genesis sponsons are shaped like an offshore racer and prone to spin-outs unless you are a pretty skilled driver. Much of those issues can be addressed with minimizing the rudder throw and careful modulation. The scale proportions make it capable of high straight-line speeds - as you've seen on youtube. If straight-line speed is what you are after though, you will not be happy with the stock HK electronics for long. Those cool youtube vids are not with the stock electronics you listed. I think you can expect around 40mph based on what you listed. If you are happy with that, I say great - go for it. If you plan to go after higher speed, that's a lot of electronics to throw away. (another thing to consider when deciding twin vs single setup - 2X the cost to upgrade/replace) I also question the quality of those motors/escs. IMO the Genesis hull quality is fine. There are plenty of threads to research for examples of builds for the Genesis as well as the Proboat and Aquacraft boats.

I was new to rc boats and went straight to a bare hull single Genesis (Daytona) hull build up. If I did it over, I would have gone the RTR route - MG or Mystic. Ultimately lower cost, more fun. It is more fun running a reliable boat with excellent product support than fishing for flipped boats and replacing burnt electronics. If you eventually get the speed bug or just want the challenge, you can upgrade your RTR (lots of forum support) or start a scratch build and have a nice backup boat. You can learn a lot from the RTR boat and apply that knowledge to a better, more successful scratch build.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck

*Edit: Sorry I was redundant. I took a while to finish and did not see the other 4 posts.*