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  • Brushless55
    Creator
    • Oct 2008
    • 9488

    #1

    ESC rating... Amps vs Volts

    Ok question for some..
    and I hope I make sense in this all..

    Looking at HV escs
    lets say one is rated at 130amps at 12s, that would = about 5772watts
    so could we take that same esc on 10s and pull 156amps through it to make 5772watts?
    or 8s at 195amps ???

    just thinking out loud...
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  • m4a1usr
    Fast Electric Addict
    • Nov 2009
    • 2038

    #2
    Thats a good rational about electrical relationships. But. There are at least two factors to consider. Losses. Since amps are directly related to heat, current conductivity efficiency needs to be addressed as well. Then theres thermal conductivity. The hotter the FET's get, the worse they perform. So mass should be considered. I remember a good thread on RRR awhile back where Joerg was providing some basic assumptions but I dont have it linked. Maybe someone remembers?


    John
    Change is the one Constant

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    • JIM MARCUM
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2011
      • 773

      #3
      If you can find a 130 Amp ESC that is rated for 12S, at 4.2 Volts per cell, that would be 6552 Watts (4.2V x 12S x 130 Amps) max. Unless my calculator finger slipped.

      Enough theory already. Get off the couch and take your boat(s) down to the pond and have some fun.JIM
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      • Make-a-Wake
        FE Rules!
        • Nov 2009
        • 5557

        #4
        I wouldnt want to pull 156 amps thru a 130a ESC.................130a is maxxed out. You really would need to try for around 120a max with that ESC.
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        • Brushless55
          Creator
          • Oct 2008
          • 9488

          #5
          Originally posted by JIM MARCUM
          If you can find a 130 Amp ESC that is rated for 12S, at 4.2 Volts per cell, that would be 6552 Watts (4.2V x 12S x 130 Amps) max. Unless my calculator finger slipped.

          Enough theory already. Get off the couch and take your boat(s) down to the pond and have some fun.JIM
          under a load would be around 3.7v per cell... what most use for calcs on speed etc..

          Originally posted by Make-a-Wake
          I wouldnt want to pull 156 amps thru a 130a ESC.................130a is maxxed out. You really would need to try for around 120a max with that ESC.
          12s 130amp cont. 180amp max like this one...
          http://www.offshoreelectrics.com/pro...-seaking-130HV

          so if one were to try 8s and maybe pull 140-150amps cont. that would be about 4100-4400watts
          so about 30% less watts than the 5772....

          just throwing this out there, as I'm curious if I could get away with this....
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          • keithbradley
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Jul 2010
            • 3663

            #6
            It doesn't always transfer over that way, but it does a lot, and to a certain degree. I'm running 100A ESCs in my DF twin cat and pulling much more current than that.
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            • Make-a-Wake
              FE Rules!
              • Nov 2009
              • 5557

              #7
              I just wouldnt risk a $150 ESC....................amps are amps. What is this going in?
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              • Fluid
                Fast and Furious
                • Apr 2007
                • 8012

                #8
                I am not an EE, but ESC designer Andy Kunz was asked this question on line once, and IIRC he said that amps is amps and what the OP is suggesting won't work. Second hand knowledge I know.....




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                • Brushless55
                  Creator
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 9488

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Make-a-Wake
                  I just wouldnt risk a $150 ESC....................amps are amps. What is this going in?
                  a Leo 5698 1100kv on 8s in a 42" Sprintcat
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                  • Make-a-Wake
                    FE Rules!
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 5557

                    #10
                    Be very careful................that motor will suck amps big time......................prop it way down at first
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                    • keithbradley
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 3663

                      #11
                      Why not go with a lower kv and use the ESC within it's range?
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                      • Brushless55
                        Creator
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 9488

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Make-a-Wake
                        Be very careful................that motor will suck amps big time......................prop it way down at first
                        may just spend the cash and get the new 300amp Steven has here

                        Originally posted by keithbradley
                        Why not go with a lower kv and use the ESC within it's range?
                        the package is on the way
                        this thread was a thought I was having about esc amps
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                        • ozzie-crawl
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 2865

                          #13
                          While the esc has a Amp/voltage limit that can be worked out in wattage its the motor that produces the wattage.
                          If the esc has a limit of 100 amps at 10 volts for EG, it would have a limit of 1000 watts. But the motor does not have 100% efficiency.
                          From what i understand a motors efficiency may drop to 20-30% on initial load and only give out 200-300 watts (as per eg).
                          So if we worked out our esc limit on wattage to produce 1000 watts when the motor is at 20% efficiency we would i believe see a 500 amp load.
                          I am no EE either and not sure if that makes sense but the motor makes the power (wattage) the esc does not care how much power is produced as long as the amps that are pulled by the motor or the voltage fed to it are with in its limits.

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