An Even Worse Day At The Pond

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  • Doby
    KANADA RULES!
    • Apr 2007
    • 7280

    #1

    An Even Worse Day At The Pond

    Well, time to get the 1/8th Llumar wet last Saturday.
    As I stated in my build thread for the boat, it didn't go well as , due to my fault. I didn't have enough of a flat spot on the motor shaft and the coupler slipped. No big deal.

    So, that boat being done for the day, I swapped my LiPos to my V-24 for a quick run, same setup as last year. No changes.
    Heres a vid of the first part of the run.

    Boat was flying and running great.



    After about 3 minutes of goofing around a puff of white smoke came out of the taped hatch. I brought it back to shore to see the smoke pouring out of a small burned off section of the tape. Not Good.

    I ripped the tape off and took the hatch off (all while the boat is still in the water). Flames shot out about a foot high (LiPo fire). As the hull has full of white smoke and flames, I shoved the boat into the water, lifeted the bow and let water pour in the hull.

    I case you don't know, LiPos do burn under water.

    After about 45 seconds, it was all over.

    Here are some shots of the carnage.

    After all is done, $1200 woth of LiPos in the garbage.

    The motor is fine after some cleaning,as is the Schultze controller.
    The hull is remarkably undamaged other than some smoke reside. A good cleaning will remove and clean everything. (but it sure smells).

    As to the cause, i have no idea, same setup as last year where none of the components ever got above ambient temp even on the hottest days.

    The only difference is that I sent all 4 packs back for checking and servicing to the manufacturer over the winter. There were a few damaged cells as a result of spending almost 60 minutes underwater when the boat flipped on the last run of the year last October. They replaced several cells and deemed them good for use.

    I'm currently in contact with Tanic to see what might have happened.

    Anyway, LiPos are great for performance, but when they go bad, just about everything you might have heard about them is true. I know first hand now so please , save the comments on how safe they are. When they go bad, they are worse than any NiCd or NiMh. Period.

    I'll still continue to use them though.
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  • justneedspeed
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 112

    #2
    Glad to here your alright. Good thing you posted this warning now everyone knows the dangers of bad cells.
    always need just a few mph more

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    • 10gauge
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2007
      • 281

      #3
      Very sad day indeed. How many charge cycles did the LiPos have?
      Mean Machine Cat: 9XL, 4S2P, CC120, M545 (50mph) -- DF22 Hydro: 8L, 3S1P/4500, CC120, x637 (49mph) -- M-1 SuperCat: 1521/1Y, 6S2P, CC240, x447 (61mph) -- SV27 Mono: stock setup, 14-cell/4200, x642 (42mph) -- Micro Scat Cat: 28-3600, 3S1P/2100, Turnigy 60, x430 (41mph)

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      • Doby
        KANADA RULES!
        • Apr 2007
        • 7280

        #4
        About 10-15 last year. As I mentioned, several cells were replaced by the manufacturer and the packs were deemed good to go.
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        • 10gauge
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2007
          • 281

          #5
          That's not many cycles at all. I agree, I would definitely be on the manufacturer's tail! I hope you can make your case, good thing you have pictures.
          On a positive note, I've been absolutely marveling at your 1:8 scale Llumar build. I hope everything will work out well at the end.
          Mean Machine Cat: 9XL, 4S2P, CC120, M545 (50mph) -- DF22 Hydro: 8L, 3S1P/4500, CC120, x637 (49mph) -- M-1 SuperCat: 1521/1Y, 6S2P, CC240, x447 (61mph) -- SV27 Mono: stock setup, 14-cell/4200, x642 (42mph) -- Micro Scat Cat: 28-3600, 3S1P/2100, Turnigy 60, x430 (41mph)

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          • Mich. Maniac
            Banned
            • Apr 2007
            • 1384

            #6
            sorry to hear. as I always say... hope for the best and expect the worst. so when will you be able to replace and get the 1/8 going???

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            • SJFE
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Apr 2007
              • 4735

              #7
              It flat out sucks man. Glad it happened neer the water and not in the truck on the way home. I will be @ west marine this weekend picking up a small fire extinguisher for the truck. It's a shame we can't insure our equipment some how. Good luck with getting them replaced.
              Tom

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              • Doby
                KANADA RULES!
                • Apr 2007
                • 7280

                #8
                Thanks 10 Guage, unfortunately the Llumar is on hold now untill I get new packs.

                Will probably order some later this week.
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                • Bill-SOCAL
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 1404

                  #9
                  A fire is almost always the result of either some sort of physical damage that breaches the internal parts of the cell, or some really bad charging mishap (like the wrong charger, cell count setting, etc.) A dead short can also cause it.

                  I suspect that something got physically tweaked, the packs shifter perhaps, and they went off. It will be interesting to hear what Tanic has to say.
                  Don't get me started

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                  • Doby
                    KANADA RULES!
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 7280

                    #10
                    The packs were charged only os FMA 6s Chargers that Tanic recommended. When sitting in the boat , they are surrounded by closed cell foam for shock protection. Snug as a bug.

                    I hope to hear from Tanic shortly.
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                    • Raydee
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • May 2007
                      • 1603

                      #11
                      WOW man that is a bad day for sure...I pray that I never ever have a day like that!
                      Team Liquid Dash

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                      • z400
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 1311

                        #12
                        man what a mess
                        Z
                        KBB34" Mono - Fast
                        ToySport Triton- Not as fast

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                        • Doozie870
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 828

                          #13
                          The boat appears really stuck down to me, when going down wind.

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                          • Bill-SOCAL
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 1404

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Doby
                            The packs were charged only os FMA 6s Chargers that Tanic recommended. When sitting in the boat , they are surrounded by closed cell foam for shock protection. Snug as a bug.

                            I hope to hear from Tanic shortly.
                            All it wold have taken was a small physical flaw in one cell. Flex the pack a bit, vibrate it a bit and POOF!!.

                            I've seen several 6S heli packs go up in flames after a crash. Most times they get back to the bench and it happens while handling the pack. All it takes is a small movement to breach the internal plates.
                            It sucks, whatever the cause. Tanic may not be able to tell you for sure either.
                            Don't get me started

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                            • Eyekandyboats
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 1921

                              #15
                              i can smell that from up here! and your 200 km away!
                              EYEKANDYGRAPHICS

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