diffrences in sensored and sensorless BL motors?

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  • justneedspeed
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 112

    #1

    diffrences in sensored and sensorless BL motors?

    what is the difference between sensored and sensorless Bl motors? Thanks in advance
    always need just a few mph more
  • calcagno45
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Mar 2008
    • 1006

    #2
    A sensored motor and controller senses th exact position of the armature at all times. Therefore it can apply the right power and Viola!! no cogging.
    My prop hasn't been wet in a while.

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    • ReddyWatts
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Apr 2007
      • 1711

      #3
      Sensored motors have separate sensors, and an additional five wires, that tells the controller which direction, how fast the motor is turning and the exact location of the rotor. Works well for stand still high power starts, no cogging.

      Sensorless motors use the wire that is deenergized while one of the coils is being energized on the other two wires. It gives out "back EMF" created by the rotor to the controller. The controller will sense and calculate where the rotor is and use dynamic timing for different rotor speeds. Works well with higher rpm motors. Less parts to break. Has option to use "ramp" or "soft start" method, until controller finds location of rotor from back EMF. This can help prevent cogging.
      Last edited by ReddyWatts; 04-22-2008, 05:56 PM.
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      • egneg
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Feb 2008
        • 4670

        #4
        Originally posted by ReddyWatts
        Sensored motors have separate sensors, and an additional five wires, that tells the controller which direction, how fast the motor is turning and the exact location of the rotor. Works well for stand still high power starts, no cogging.
        Sounds just like the motors in CNC machines - very expensive!
        IMPBA 20481S D-12

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        • G Doggett
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2007
          • 446

          #5
          Maybe I'm thick but I'm confused how to set my 100 X-Power ESC.
          I have the Program Box from OSE and have set all the usual settings for my Ammo 2300 running on 4S lipos but the last option is " Timing Monitor - For brushless ESC with no sensor"
          Do I set this to ON or OFF ?????
          Graham.
          Last edited by G Doggett; 04-23-2008, 01:20 AM.

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          • G Doggett
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2007
            • 446

            #6
            Hullooooooooo any input
            If I choose the wrong setting will it damage anything or will it just not run ?
            Graham.

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            • ace028
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2007
              • 952

              #7
              I haven't used the speed control or motor, but i'm pretty sure the ammo is sensorless. If it was you would have a plug on the motor for a 5 wire cable. Therefore I would set your esc for brushless esc with no sensor.
              Twin power =

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              • Ub Hauled
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Aug 2007
                • 3031

                #8
                Yes, Ammo is sensorless.
                :::::::::::::::. It's NEVER fast enough! .:::::::::::::::

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                • G Doggett
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 446

                  #9
                  Hi Guys
                  Yes I know the Ammo is sensorless ( it only has 3 wires) but do I set the Timing Monitor to ON or OFF.
                  Graham.

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                  • ReddyWatts
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 1711

                    #10
                    Leave it on the default setting.

                    It says the timing monitor is to "prevent motor burnout".
                    Last edited by ReddyWatts; 04-24-2008, 05:17 PM.
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                    • G Doggett
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 446

                      #11
                      Cheers guys, I have set the Timing Monitor to ON.
                      Sorry if it seemed like a dumb question
                      Graham.

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