Bens got yet another Cat out

[Boaterguy]

what's a paperweight? i thought te T600's were good motors?

[tiqueman]

the cheetah has wider sponsons and a deeper tunnel for better rough water.
the fantasm has an overhang on the back.
should we hold a contest to see who can get their fantasm/ cheetah built first? (im in with twin T600's on the fantasm)

My point was the Fantasm is an exact copy of the River cat, just BIGGER..... just like the Daytona and Super Daytona. No changes were made to it. Its just BIGGER

[siberianhusky]

I'll be honest and say it Boaterguy since I doubt anybody else will. You don't have the skills for this project yet. You've been into electric boats as long as I have and I've followed your two builds, both were pretty much failures, you've never had a proper running boat!
Why don't you just get yourself a RTR boat and actually learn what it takes to get one set up and running right without burning something up every time you try to run your boats?
There is nothing wrong with buying a RTR and learning to walk before you run. There is always more time and more money down the road to build an impressive boat, once you have the skills to do it.

[6BOOST]

I received my 60" FC daytona today, first one out of the US and build tag number 2. It was unfortunately very minorly damaged on the tips of the sponsons, but overall very happy with it. Has very deep and pointed sponsons, not flat ride pads like my MHZ CT03 so may have a little more drag/less speed but hopefully handle a little better. Fits any size motor easily, have tried my 2028's, 2230's and LMT3080's and no problems, did a flotation test with 8x 6s/5000mah packs, 2 motors and all associated hardware and takes the weight a piece of cake. I tried my spare HPR135 drives on it and the mounts hit the ribbing in the sponsons, so will need to make some customs mounts, otherwise they fit beautifully.

Will put a build thread up when I get all the components sorted:)

6BOOST

[NativePaul]

Kinda wish the Fantasm was an inch shorter though, 41 puts it one inch out of Q class.

It looks like the actual hull is about 37-38" and the rest is overhang pushing you out of Q class, it wouldn't be too hard to cut an inch or 3 off the back end and glass in a flat glass/carbon/ply/alloy sheet in its place, could easily be made to fit the rules and be lighter for the same strength/stronger for the same weight.

[tiqueman]

S[poke w/ Ben and told him I wished it was an inch shorter, he said they had made some changes and kinda remembers it being less them 40. Time will tell.

Boost, Ill be following your SD build.... wish I had 2028s layin around.

[Boaterguy]

I'll be honest and say it Boaterguy since I doubt anybody else will. You don't have the skills for this project yet. You've been into electric boats as long as I have and I've followed your two builds, both were pretty much failures, you've never had a proper running boat!
Why don't you just get yourself a RTR boat and actually learn what it takes to get one set up and running right without burning something up every time you try to run your boats?
There is nothing wrong with buying a RTR and learning to walk before you run. There is always more time and more money down the road to build an impressive boat, once you have the skills to do it.

I understand what you mean but I beleive one of the main reasons i have not learned is the lack of money.
my boats sink because i have no tools to build them right and even then the hardware that goes in them isn't high quality.
i'll take the build slowly and ask for help whenever i can, not building the hull might make it a little easier.
BTW my hydro will work once i get a new ESC (thanks james)

[siberianhusky]

Thats bull! I started with a 150$ used SV27 and haven't looked back, none of my stuff has been new except for batteries and a charger.
There is more to learning about this hobby than money, I just finished a 1/12 pay n pak that including used hardware and motor cost me less than 200$. The cutting was mostly done with a 10$ coping saw and a stanley knife, sanded to final shape by hand. Sprayed with white enamel from home depot. And it runs great right off the board.
Now i have a number of 4s boats, have learned tons and haven't burned any of my cheap used stuff up yet.
When I'm ready to spend the money on a big build I'm confident I'll have learned enough to do it right. Eventually I do plan of building a 1/8 scale hydro, and when I do I'll be able to both afford it and build it properly.
If I tried it now with my limited experience I'd more than likely burn things up or end up with a boat I'm not happy with.
You can't buy experience.
Next year I'll probably have a full P powered mono, take the learning curve up another notch, if that works out then the following winter I'll maybe tackle a 1/8 hydro kit.

[Gimp]

A little off topic aren't we guys?

[Boaterguy]

I just don't feel like i'm doing anything with a RTR, or even a kit sometimes.
I bought an 80$ plane kit from HK and no matter how many adjustments i had to make i still felt like they did all the work, picking out the parts that went well together, and making sure everything fir (well not with hk but you know..)
I think ESC's just hate me and blow all the time, the only one that lasted more than 2 runs on me lasted 5 and that was a t120 i was putting 200A through, the other ones were well under their limits, the suppo 200's with an extra 2000uf or the FC 140 that just blew.

[tiqueman]

It certainly takes time to get there. You have plenty of it Boaterguy. If I remember correctly your 14-15? I started runing cars at about 11. My dad told me, the only way I could have one was to build it as a kit. Now I know, a buggy in this case, went together w/ full detail instructions and its kinda hard to screw it up. But we built it, ran it, tuned it and learned from it. then i got another kit, and another which led to other RC things, planes boats etc. My first boat was a 42" gasser. I had under $150. complete w/ radio into it. that was my first build. Homemade hull by a local guy, free echo weedeter, am radio out of one of my cars, took one of moms tuperware containers for a radio box (got yelled at for that) and I was about 15 when I did that. As you go along, you get all the experience you need. It doesnt come over night and your first builds not going to be a HPR. But, you can always work towards it. As for the Fantasm, a twin build takes experience. I was taught very early, you have to crack an egg to make an omlett. Your going to screw things up now and again. Ive been building for quite a while (35 now) and I still have my moments. A build isnt based on "lets see who can finish it first" It doesnt matter. A build needs to be quality and needs to be correct. I even hesitate on some of these new hulls as no one has built one yet, so whats the best this and that for it. Id wait a while. Let a few of these get built by experienced folks. Learn from what they did on thier builds and how they did it. Learn from thier possible mistakes, then build one. And you wont build it for cheap. Hull and hardware alone will be expensive.

the conclusion to my novel is this, if you want a twin, by a RTR one. You only think youve had headaches w/ your single drives. Wait till you have two of everything. it can be frustrating. Start small bud. You have nothing to prove to any of us bc you get this or that hull. Fe boating is boating. we all do it for the love and passion of it. get good at it, learn about it and work your way up the ladder. In ten years you will look back and be glad you did it that way. Otherwise, its just gunna frustrate you, take all your money and you will move on to something else.

[tiqueman]

I just don't feel like i'm doing anything with a RTR, or even a kit sometimes.
I bought an 80$ plane kit from HK and no matter how many adjustments i had to make i still felt like they did all the work, picking out the parts that went well together, and making sure everything fir (well not with hk but you know..)
I think ESC's just hate me and blow all the time, the only one that lasted more than 2 runs on me lasted 5 and that was a t120 i was putting 200A through, the other ones were well under their limits, the suppo 200's with an extra 2000uf or the FC 140 that just blew.

Does this look like proboat did all the work????? I am extremely proud of this build and in my opinion, its not a proboat anymore. Its got the proboat, hull and thats it. I made the hatch and did everything else to it.

[tiqueman]

Or how about this Proboat miss geico? Neither one made me feell like I didnt accomplish anything. get something thats rtr, make it run right, then when your boredd with it, change it.

[Boaterguy]

I still want to do a build and am sitting on two 6S t600's so what do you think I should build?
i wouldn't mind buying a kit but I want to use those motors, so maybe something I can plug them into, do the mounts and get ESC's, but have pretty well everything else done?

[tiqueman]

Id look for something already built. What that may be, no idea. Poor mount installation can make or break a build. I recently rebuilt a boat for someone who had anothe member build it and install his mounts. It was so screwed up it was almost not worth fixing. Find something w/ motor mounts already installed (correctly), stuffing tubes and drives in place etc etc. Get escs well capable of your needs. Or have someone do the parts that take some experience for you. mounts, stuffing tubes and drives. Then you can do the servo mounts etc. see how its done, then later, tackle your own. Dont set it up knowing its going to pull 120A and put a t-120 in it. Put something in it that will have some overhead. I dont know much about the SF 200, but I just got two for my upcoming twin build. A few guys in our club run them and are pleased. they dont have the throttle response and feel as a Castle Im told, and even the turnigy/ Seakings are apparently smoother. But, they are rated to 6S and your going to be running 6S. Is it bad, no, but your at your max voltage so MUCH care must be taken to keep your amp draw as low as possible. that means choosing the right prop and not guessing. Bill34207 just finished a DF twin cat. Seaking 180s on 6S, over 70mph using CC1520 (1600KV) inrunners. After several passes they came in ice cold. Perhaps the 180 would be a possible esc for you.

remember too, no one is on here to make you feel bad or talk down to you, we are all here to help. One thing that drives all of us nuts is someone who consistantly makes mistakes when everyone is telling them what and what not to do. no one here is or would try to push you in the wrong direction. we want your boat(s) to be as great and fun as everyone elses. So take our advice, we arent doing it because we dont want you to have the best of the best... baby steps.