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  • Stinger9D9
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2007
    • 355

    #1

    Flashes and magic smoke...oh my. What happened

    It's a long story, but the jist of it is that I think my nearly new AQ 1800kv motor went south and took out my esc and receiver with it.

    I took out my new VS-1 build today for it's first run. The setup was an Aquacraft 1800kv (SVr motor), a Turnigy Plush 80A ESC (I know, I know, but it's all I had on hand), atop a REK lower turning an Aquacraft 40x52/3 prop. The batteries were a pair of 2S Turnigy Nanotech Lipos (wired in series to 4S - 14.8v).

    Now this drivetrain has worked together just fine in the past, in my TS2. I got about 3 runs with it. That lowly ESC has actually worked for me in different combinations for years.

    I sent the boat out and it ran great. That hull ran better on it's first run than my TS2 ever did on it's best day. No issues with water flow, good speed, not lightning fast mind you, but I'd say high 30's to low 40's speed.

    I brought her in after about 2 minutes to check the temps, everything was pretty cool (mid 80s motor, batts and ESC) because of the modest setup.

    I sent her back out for a bit more, but after about 50 feet, it died. Then I heard it re-arm and it would only limp - the motor turned smoothly but at an absolute crawl. It kept dying and re-arming, but I did manage to get her into shore - the steering was acting wonky too (sticking full right, then working intermittently, then locking left again).

    I thought maybe the batteries were low and this was the ESC's weird way of telling me. I tried a couple new packs and the motor only cogged and stuttered while I had her on shore so I unplugged everything and headed home.

    I thought maybe water got into the ESC or something, so I pulled it out and checked it - bone dry. The receiver is way up in the radio box at the front of the hull and was dry too.

    On the bench, I plugged the 2 batteries back in, the esc armed, but the motor only cogged and stuttered, then FLASH...from the receiver! Then lots of magic smoke from the ESC at the other end of the boat. Yep, they're both fried now.

    While trying to diagnose, I pulled out a little 55A ESC and a 3S pack. I verified that the receiver was done, didn't even try wiring up the smokey ESC, but I found that the nearly new motor would only cog and stutter on 3S (just like it did on 4S before the light and smoke show. Every other motor I hooked up to that combination (Ammo 2300, Turnigy 1800, etc) all spun up nice and freely.

    I took the motor off the lower unit too - no binding, but it still coughs and sputters when (briefly) fed 11.1 volts. I don't dare plug it into my UL-1 or Motley Crew ESC for fear that 14.8 volts being applied to it will fry another ESC (and receiver).

    Is this possible? Is the motor the culprit? It never got wet, but the shrinkwrap around where the wires exit the house looked really dodgy. Could the wires have shorted? I wish I could find the @$#! receipt because I just bought it in July and I still have the original box. Grrr.
  • 1truckerdan
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 329

    #2
    I really think it might be a "shorted" wire in the motor wires ?????
    It might be fixable if it is just an input wire touching one of the other wires ..... not the stator ....just re insulate each wire and try it again.
    If it is fried I have a ammo 3656 1800kv (14.8-22.2v) I could trade you for something.
    Daniel
    Last edited by 1truckerdan; 08-26-2011, 05:50 PM. Reason: info
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    • properchopper
      • Apr 2007
      • 6968

      #3
      I just had a similar experience with my 30" Herb Stewart tunnel with the 1800 AQ motor. I was overpropped.Only the motor died. The stators overheat and short out internally. Also the motor leads have insufficient insulation. Check out my " Blueprinting the UL-1 motor wires" thread. Your motor shorted, took out the SC which shot battery voltage to the rx. Poof !
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      • Fluid
        Fast and Furious
        • Apr 2007
        • 8011

        #4
        I suspect that Tony's right. I have had a bad motor take out three ESCs before I figured out it was the common item in all the failures. I would not try to "fix" the motor, if it is shorted internally in the windings all you can do is re-wind it - not recommended. It might just be the exit wiring, but I'd not risk another ESC and receiver. BTW a motor with bad magnets can do the same thing.


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        • Stinger9D9
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2007
          • 355

          #5
          Ok, the motor's a paperweight from now on. Tony's explanation makes total sense - battery voltage to the rx sounds like exactly what happened.

          At least I took out a relatively cheap speed control with this one.

          I think I'll take the motor and SC out of my UL-1, reinsulate the wires like in Tony's UL-1 thread and put that combo in the VS-1. It's a proven combo in that boat anyway. I'll get around to re-powering my UL-1 over the winter with some new parts.

          Do you think my Ammo 2300 is of any use in either hull? I personally think it's too many kv for either application.

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          • 1truckerdan
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 329

            #6
            You have a PM
            Daniel
            When you know it all.......you never will learn anything new

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            • properchopper
              • Apr 2007
              • 6968

              #7
              I tried an Ammo quite a while ago in a TS-2. Didn't last long; about 2 runs. The 2030 AQ is a proven combo in the VS-1 and the UL-1 speedy works real good with it.
              2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
              2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
              '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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              • Stinger9D9
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2007
                • 355

                #8
                Originally posted by properchopper
                I tried an Ammo quite a while ago in a TS-2. Didn't last long; about 2 runs. The 2030 AQ is a proven combo in the VS-1 and the UL-1 speedy works real good with it.
                Well I dug around and found the receipt for the AQ 1800kv motor - yep, I haven't had it for 2 months, and have barely used it at all.

                I emailed Hobby Services about it. I don't know if any warranty would apply, but it can't hurt to ask (nicely).

                I ran the VS1 with the my UL1's powertrain today - what a hoot! If I do get replacement 1800kv motor, #1 I'm blueprinting the wires as soon as it comes out of the box and #2 I think I'll stick with the AQ 60A speed control, I really like it.

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