40th Annual NAMBA Gas Nats will offer 2 FE Classes

[Darin Jordan]

Tony,

I don't have any real issue with all of this happening either way. My only gripe is that it seems like FE has been "stuggling" for years to even get an ear of the National organization and to control our own destiny, and then along comes a Gas guy who is seemingly able to pull his weight and start directing what will be. I've never met Jeff, and don't have ANY issues with him. I've talked to him on the phone, bought his boat, and have no ill feelings toward him at all. If he's helping to promote FE, that's fantastic.

However, many of us have been helping to promote FE for YEARS, and when we suggest/ask for something to take place, it's always a battle.

I also have heard that "all the top FE Racers" in the area were asked about what classes to run. Funny... but I don't think anyone asked anyone from up here. I know of at least three people, and maybe two more, that are coming down and actively race P-Limited Hydros, who would have loved to participate, but will now be unable. No one asked them that I know of.

So, to summarize... I DO NOT have an issue with any of this going on. Not my battle to fight and it doesn't really affect me one way or the other. If I can swing the trip down, I have a P-Mono I can run, and a Gas Mono, for that matter, so it would be a fun trip. Just sticking in my craw a little bit that there isn't a little more consideration for those who have been deeply involved in the FE side for years, and have been out there sharing, and showing, and helping for years.

I totally respect Tyler and am happy that he got the ball rolling on this, and I actually agree with the classes that ultimately got chosen. They'll work fine and will highlight the tech pretty well, as long as people don't go too crazy and burn down all their equipment right in front of all those potential converts.

I could probably better explain my feelings/emotions on this in person and it would likely be taken more the way I intend it, but hopefully you get the point.

I hope that this happening down there will lead to a little more respect for what the FE community has been doing for years, and will help continue that into the future with a broader audience and participation level!

[MarkF]

Good grief, there only running 2 classes of electrics at the gas nats and prople are worried whos going to get the crown? Really?
Also the reason I see why electrics are getting anywhere with the gas guys is because they have been showing an interest with them now. They didn't before. Jeff has been receiving calls for years from people asking if he had any electric boats. Alot of them were from the gas crowd. Please don't try to spin this into something different than it is. By the way Jeff isn't the only gas guy selling electric boats and who would like to see this happen.
Most of the work done by FE guys has been going on for a lot of years. I know I got close to 20 years myself. You guys somewhat new to the sport and working hard right now for this your work is apreciated but your far from the first to try. This has been going on for a long time now. Lets try to welcome the change instead of looking for hidden agendas.

Mark

[Steven Vaccaro]

Good grief, there only running 2 classes of electrics at the gas nats and prople are worried whos going to get the crown? Really?
Also the reason I see why electrics are getting anywhere with the gas guys is because they have been showing an interest with them now. They didn't before. Jeff has been receiving calls for years from people asking if he had any electric boats. Alot of them were from the gas crowd. Please don't try to spin this into something different than it is. By the way Jeff isn't the only gas guy selling electric boats and who would like to see this happen.
Most of the work done by FE guys has been going on for a lot of years. I know I got close to 20 years myself. You guys somewhat new to the sport and working hard right now for this your work is apreciated but your far from the first to try. This has been going on for a long time now. Lets try to welcome the change instead of looking for hidden agendas.

Mark

Sorry Mark, I think its a pretty valid question. If there are two nats going on and two winners of the same class in different parts of the country, who's the nations top dog? Please dont take this the wrong way, I'm by no means a top contender, but if I were it would bug me.

[RaceMechaniX]

Tony, I will be happy to give you driving advice up on the stand during the race, but it may be more like "hold your line, hold your line, hold your line" as I try to get on the inside of you. I can say that the FE classes should have a lot less driving drama then some of the local gas classes so we should be OK.

I feel the FE classes run at the gas nitro Nats are exhibition classes to open up FE to the gas and nitro racers who typically may not see it. I would agree with T.C. that the national champion should be the individual who wins at Florida, but the individuls who win at the gas nitro Nats are the winners of those respective classes for this venue. I think we will all be amazed how many nitro and gas guys may decide to buy a P mono to try and run at the nationals.

As for politics-I don't honestly care. We have two popular classes to add which are great platforms for others to get involved. Although I would have loved to have an open electric class, the justice of one or two individuals showing up with full blown T-monos versus six guys with P-mono's and spec hydros would have been poor PR for FE.

There is also a double motive here. I hope to see some of the electric guys try a gas or nitro class. You never know you may like it.

Tyler

[Darin Jordan]

Also the reason I see why electrics are getting anywhere with the gas guys is because they have been showing an interest with them now. They didn't before.

Mark,

I think we both know that's not really the case... They didn't show any interest in them before because they couldn't do what they can do now. So maybe it's really just a matter of the technology putting the performance level up to an interesting point that has caught there attention.

Might also have something to do with many out there SHOWING them what is possible... You included! Speaking of which... I'll try to get time to upload those videos of your SAW runs last weekend... I think I caught a few of them.

[H2OCamel]

So the guys racing electrics at Legg could be the national electrifed-gasser champions? LOL Just give them a different title to distinguish them. I think the points winners suggestion makes sence too! Work your way to the top. I like that FE is getting more interest and acceptance.

[D. Newland]

By the Power Vested In Me by the NAMBA Organization, He/She who wins a nationally recognized class at the FE Nat's is deemed the National Champion.

I have no idea if I have that power, but I said it. And, trust me, anyone running FE at the Gas Nat's will understand and approve what I said above.

It's a non-issue, guys. Really. Take it from a guy that won P Mono at the Gas Nat's in '09.

Now, let's get attention back to the Waveblaster's FE Nat's event. Sorry for the distraction.

[Steven Vaccaro]

By the Power Vested In Me by the NAMBA Organization, He/She who wins a nationally recognized class at the FE Nat's is deemed the National Champion.

I have no idea if I have that power, but I said it. And, trust me, anyone running FE at the Gas Nat's will understand and approve what I said above.

It's a non-issue, guys. Really. Take it from a guy that won P Mono at the Gas Nat's in '09.

Now, let's get attention back to the Waveblaster's FE Nat's event. Sorry for the distraction.

Boy this whole issue really ruined my day , but all is good now that the Great King Newland fixed it.

[line6]

Dave u the man lol. I like it. it was talked about combining the nat as one big event. I personaly would not want that to happen. I think its a great idea for district races where you just have like five or so classes. But the nats has just to many classes it would end up being somthing like a eight day event just to long imo.


Jason Sims

[Darin Jordan]

Boy this whole issue really ruined my day , but all is good now that the Great King Newland fixed it.

I knew that guy got selected for the job for a reason! Devine Intervention!!

[TheShaughnessy]

Is p limited hydro the same thing as spec? Are you limited to proboat 1500, aq 1800, aq 2030, etc. That would be more affordable to put together then any motor choice.

Can i run a MG in p limited hydro or does it have to be a 3 point hydro.

How horribly bad would a SV27 do in p mono?

Tossing around the idea of a titan 33" for p mono or a ul1/insane hydro for p limited.

Was really hopping there was gonna be a limited spec offshore class cause I've been working on that left turn

[Darin Jordan]

Is p limited hydro the same thing as spec? Are you limited to proboat 1500, aq 1800, aq 2030, etc. That would be more affordable to put together then any motor choice.

Can i run a MG in p limited hydro or does it have to be a 3 point hydro.

How horribly bad would a SV27 do in p mono?

Tossing around the idea of a titan 33" for p mono or a ul1/insane hydro for p limited.

Was really hopping there was gonna be a limited spec offshore class cause I've been working on that left turn

P-Spec will become P-Limited, and more importantly, become a REAL NAMBA class, if the rule proposal out for member voting in the last PropWash gets passed. My YES Vote has already been submitted!!

P-Limited Sport Hydro (P-LSHJ) has to be a Sport Hydro, which means it must meet the rules in the NAMBA rulebook for Sport Hydro. The MG would not be a legal boat, as the rules specify that it must be a three point hydro.

The SV27, in the company down there, would get slaughtered. You might not even keep it upright for more than a lap or to.

Do yourself a favor and build the 33" Titan for P-Mono, if that's what you have. The UL1 powered Insane FE30, if that's what you were referring to, would be a perfect choice for the P-LSH class.

[TheShaughnessy]

was just reading over the rule book and all the motor choices are brushed motors... are there any other brushless motor choices other then the ones i already listed.

Is bigger going to be better? was looking at the df 24 but it seems kinda small for p. The ul1 is 27. Is the insane fe30 going to be a lot more stable? Being the ul1 is much cheaper i'd be willing to fix the sponsons AOA. I found a miss elam hull NIB for 127 plus shipping. Not to many ul1 hulls floating about right now that i can find. I don't even know where to look at an insane hull other then Tony.

Leaning towards limited hydro cause I don't want to spend the money on a p mono power plant when i have a spec powerplant ready to drop in a hull.

I really don't see how picking these two classes based on marketing or whatever reason they were chosen is a bad thing.

If boats are ready to go for these classes, then they should grow faster then any other class. I don't know anything about Jeff aside from maybe seeing him at the last gas race at legg lake but what does it matter if the boats he makes happen to fit into the two chosen classes.

If i didn't want to see the hobby grow I would just keep running my boats instead of stopping to talk to everyone that has a question about it. Ie How much? Run time? What happens if it dies? etc. You know you've heard them.

I was wanting to set up a p mono anyhow but Tony has got me pretty interested in the hydros especially since i don't have one... yet.

Not 100% on what my point is, i just want to race and not worry about if the class is gonna meet the 5 boat min.

[T.S.Davis]

Darin, try the Kettle Corn. Orville is your freind. So awesome.

Maybe we should be doing something along these lines at all the nats events. Only call the offereings "exhibition". Think of it as an effort to expose each fuel source to other options. The FE nats could offer a couple gas classes or maybe a nitro class or two. Not to crown champs but just to show the masses what else is out there. We're all model boaters first.

We did something like this at one of Twister Gold cup races up here. Gail force winds made it a bugger but it was exposure for FE we wouldn't have gotten otherwise. IMPBA did that at Canadian FE nats a couple years ago. Worked out pretty well.

Combined races are good for the hobby. However, for the record, I'm against a combined nats. Not because I'm anti-fosil fuel. Just because I'm anti 3 week long nationals. I'm also anti-event where some classes get squeezed out due to time.

For the gas nats it might have been fun to put on the big show them with some T mono. Size will matter to gas guys. Around here they say things like "awe how cute" when they see our P spec boats.

[LuckyDuc]

Darin, try the Kettle Corn. Orville is your freind. So awesome.

Maybe we should be doing something along these lines at all the nats events. Only call the offereings "exhibition". Think of it as an effort to expose each fuel source to other options. The FE nats could offer a couple gas classes or maybe a nitro class or two. Not to crown champs but just to show the masses what else is out there. We're all model boaters first.

We did something like this at one of Twister Gold cup races up here. Gail force winds made it a bugger but it was exposure for FE we wouldn't have gotten otherwise. IMPBA did that at Canadian FE nats a couple years ago. Worked out pretty well.

Combined races are good for the hobby. However, for the record, I'm against a combined nats. Not because I'm anti-fosil fuel. Just because I'm anti 3 week long nationals. I'm also anti-event where some classes get squeezed out due to time.

For the gas nats it might have been fun to put on the big show them with some T mono. Size will matter to gas guys. Around here they say things like "awe how cute" when they see our P spec boats.

Exhibiting a gas and a nitro class would be a great idea at future FE Nationals... provided that the venue allows for such. Most hosting clubs have both a nitro and gas contingent. They could show case one or two of their popular classes to expose FE racers to that side of the hobby as well. Heck, many of us FE racers have a gas and/or nitro boat already. The hosting club would be responsible for picking the exhibition classes.

I feel the same about ONE combined Gas, Nitro, FE Nats event. I think anything over 4 days is too long.