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  • keithbradley
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Jul 2010
    • 3663

    #1

    Smoke on the water...

    I guess I'll share this nasty pic with everyone else here. I had a rough day today on the water in the name of experimentation. I have a cat that I built over the winter that is set up to run higher RPM with a smaller prop and high voltage (8s1p). The result was awesome. The boat is MUCH faster than I ever expected it to be (I would guess around 70...), and the runtime is phenomenal. I was getting close to 15 minutes runtime with 5000mah and cool temps from the motor and 80A HV ESC. Here's where it goes bad...

    Ben (fightercat) informed me that some of the LV ESCs he sells are actually rated by the manufacturer to be 2s-8s, not 2s-6s like most ESCs. It has until now generally been accepted that these ESCs are best for 2s-6s use, but nobody has really tried them on any more than 8s, so we decided to give it a shot. I mounted a special aluminum plate in my hull where the esc would sit to prevent it from burning my carbon fiber and the bottom of the hull if something went wrong, and Ben provided me with the ESC. To be clear we both knew we were playing with fire here but wanted to see what would happen(so before the typical nay sayers start telling me how dumb I am to run ESCs at their max rating, save your breath and just tell yourself...you probably care about your input more than anyone else does anyway).

    I got about a lap and a half out of it before it just quit...about 30-60 seconds later it just about blew the hatch off and shot smoke out of the seams of the hatch like a train whistle.

    I'll post a couple pics. The esc shown in the before photo worked great with thsi setup...its not the one that fried:
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  • keithbradley
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Jul 2010
    • 3663

    #2
    Before:


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    • keithbradley
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Jul 2010
      • 3663

      #3
      After:


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      • keithbradley
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • Jul 2010
        • 3663

        #4
        The esc protection plate after removing teh ashy, charred ESC:


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        • keithbradley
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Jul 2010
          • 3663

          #5
          Let this be a lesson to you kids out there...uhh...use a crappier boat when you experiment with stuff.
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          • Jeff Wohlt
            Fast Electric Addict!
            • Jan 2008
            • 2716

            #6
            What a mess for a test. None of those cheapies can handle 8S...even some say 7S and I would even hesitate on 6S. If they don't say HV...they aren't!

            Did look damn nice on the first pic :)
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            • keithbradley
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Jul 2010
              • 3663

              #7
              Originally posted by Jeff Wohlt
              What a mess for a test. None of those cheapies can handle 8S...even some say 7S and I would even hesitate on 6S. If they don't say HV...they aren't!

              Did look damn nice on the first pic :)
              Yeah...
              I honestly expected it to fail more than I expected it to work, that's why I put the aluminum plate in. I didn't know I would be getting the full fireworks display though. Just a simple "POOF!" would have done.

              This was a VERY cheap ESC, and would have been revolutionary if it had worked. The original setup with the HV ESC was more impressive than I ever expected. I had to get greedy...
              In hindsight, for the mess that this made (and it burnt the top of my boat), I should have tried it in teh little mono I have in the swap shop. I would have taken it much more lightly if it were to ruin the inside of a regular, fiberglass, cheap little mono.
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              • Jeff Wohlt
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Jan 2008
                • 2716

                #8
                Ah hell...you saved us all the wondering...LOL. Yep...I would have tried in a piece of crap first :)
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                • 6sHyper
                  <<<Surfs up!
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 597

                  #9
                  Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn that is nasty!!!! Sure appreciate you being the guinea pig if its any consulation???!!! hehe...............i'm sorry, i'm sorry

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                  • sundog
                    Platinum Card Member
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 878

                    #10
                    OOooooweeee! Don't like to see that happen to anyones' boat. And there is a smell you'll never forget. My condolences.
                    Legend 36 sailboat, KMB Powerjet Ed Hardy Viper, ABC jet pwrd BBY Oval Master, ABC Hobby Jetski, NQD Tear Into's, HK Discovery 500, MickieBeez pwrd Jet Rigger!, Davette/Gravtix jet sprint, KMB Powerjet Pursuit, NQD pwrd Jet Catamaran!,Steam pwrd African Queen, Sidewinder airboat, Graupner Eco Power

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                    • LarrysDrifter
                      Big Booty Daddy
                      • May 2010
                      • 3278

                      #11
                      Sorry to read about that,Keith. I have the same esc from Ben Im using in a single drive cat and now Im paranoid. Ill be building a fiberglass box to put the esc in in hopes of limiting the hull ruining effects a burning esc has.

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                      • b.mcdaniel.2009
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 1641

                        #12
                        Man Keith that sucks.....First picture sure did look perdy! Did it ruin your lipo's or motor? If so that really sucks!
                        ..Eagles may soar in the clouds, but weasels never get sucked into jet engines..56" P.I. Fountain /37"Genesis Cat.-1717/T-180/33" DF Copy-1717/T-180

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                        • steveo
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 1454

                          #13
                          next time buy a lipo sack and cover the esc, maybe that will help lessen the clean up

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                          • TheShaughnessy
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 1431

                            #14
                            man that looks nasty. How do you like that LIFE cell? it is 6.6 v so i was weary to hook it up to my rx's. i ordered up 2 of them though. One of them is powering my stock Miss Geico Tx with no problems.

                            Ive been sticking with 4s power so i have been using my esc's bec. Just wondering if your rx is rated for more then 6v or if i'll be fine using it with an mr3000

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                            • keithbradley
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 3663

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TheShaughnessy
                              man that looks nasty. How do you like that LIFE cell? it is 6.6 v so i was weary to hook it up to my rx's. i ordered up 2 of them though. One of them is powering my stock Miss Geico Tx with no problems.

                              Ive been sticking with 4s power so i have been using my esc's bec. Just wondering if your rx is rated for more then 6v or if i'll be fine using it with an mr3000
                              You wont have a problem with the 2s LiFe batteries. The 5cell nihms that are commonly used as rx packs charge to over 7v. The only precaution I took was switching the plug ends. I put servo style ends on them so they couldnt be plugged in backward.
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