Would you still race?

[Brushless55]

You will be putting a hurting on more caps..... :)

hmmmmmm

[gultch]

you gotta race how much more humiliating to lose to a de tuned fe, braggin rights would be phenominal just my 2 cents guys

[Ub Hauled]

Danny, I think this is not a yes or no question... if FE is allowed to run with certain group it means that they thought out, voted and implemented the class that the FE can run in with a predetermined power... if there is a difference in speed it means (to me) that the FE guy, setup the boat better, has a better prop and knows how to drive. It would be extremely unfair to take that edge from the particular driver.
Of course there is another side to the coin but if things are thought out properly from the beginning then there would be no such issue.
my 2c off course.

[ncornacchi]

If a gasser was consistently faster than FE, Would they be asked to de-tune? I don't think so....If a football game was lopsided, would the coach ask the other to pull back the reins?

[Chilli]

For those who do not know the background on this subject. Two years ago we had no FE's in District 12. I join the district and last year composed a set of rules to allow FE's to run together with nitro boats and get some exposure in the district. I solicited suggestions and comments from both FE and nitro racers and did my best to come up with a set of rules that would include us while keeping a level the playing field as FE have mulitple advantages over nitro boats. I knew this was the only way we were going to get our foot in the door because we just do not have FE participation yet to ask for our own class. The nitro racers could of told me to pound sand but instead welcomed us with open arms. I was the only FE racer in three of the five district races this year. The year was a tremendous success. We ran three classes combined (spec hydro, spec tunnel and P-mono). Only once this season did the parity rule come into effect (P-mono) because I was clearly faster than the B-mono's. No big deal. I proped down from a 642 to a 640 and all was good.

So what was the result of this year? We could not of asked for a more successfull year. Our District Director who is the IMPBA gas director has sold all his gas boats and has invested thousands of dollars into FE gear. We are probably going to increase the classes FE's can run in from three to six (not including two Open classes). I'm expecting the number of FE's racing to more than double.

So now tell me. What should I have done different? Danny had no input before the district voted in the FE rules and he does not run a P-mono which is the only class that the parity rule was a factor. He is also the only one in D12 who has this opinion. So now in a lame ass attempt to get support, he starts this poll. I did a pretty dam good job of walking a tightrope getting FE's in the district while keeping the nitro guys happy. Danny is entitled to his opinion, but keeps bringing this crap up whichis divisive and counter productive to what has been accomplished this year.

[sailr]

I can see the logic but if it was turned around, do you think the nitro boys would "detune"? Haha. That's rich. NO WAY THEY WOULD.

[Flyguy55]

4 years ago I converted a TS 2 to FE and Dist 7 let me run with the stock tunnels in a couple races . Not for points .I had lots of problems but was clearly faster.
The next 2 years I ran with the 3.5 mod tunnels with a P spec motor in a few races, same conditions.
Because there were not enough nitro tunnels at some of the races two FEs were invited to enter Mod 3.5 to make the class. 2010 the FEs won 1st and 2nd place in the Dist Champion.
This year we have plenty of P limited OPC and P limited Hydros to have our own classes.
If there aren't enough nitros to make a class will we let them run with us ?
I'll vote yes .
Its short sighted not to race , soon you may have your own class.

Dick Roberts

[Diegoboy]

everyone keeps talking about "moving forward" but all you do is keep looking back. Take that rule and see how it plays on any new member to the club and to racing. It is discouraging. If you want more FE involvement in the future, word your stupid rule to reflect fairness.
What's good for the goose...
Let me give you an example:
In the spirit of good sportsmanship, any boats having a noticeable speed advantage over the majority of the boats in the heat will be asked to detune their boats to ensure competitive racing. If they do not comply, they shall be disqualified from the class for the race weekend.
Same rule, more pleasing, and all I did was remove the bias from it. I guess thats rocket science or you guys simply cant figure it out.

[Doby]

For those who do not know the background on this subject. Two years ago we had no FE's in District 12. I join the district and last year composed a set of rules to allow FE's to run together with nitro boats and get some exposure in the district. I solicited suggestions and comments from both FE and nitro racers and did my best to come up with a set of rules that would include us while keeping a level the playing field as FE have mulitple advantages over nitro boats. I knew this was the only way we were going to get our foot in the door because we just do not have FE participation yet to ask for our own class. The nitro racers could of told me to pound sand but instead welcomed us with open arms. I was the only FE racer in three of the five district races this year. The year was a tremendous success. We ran three classes combined (spec hydro, spec tunnel and P-mono). Only once this season did the parity rule come into effect (P-mono) because I was clearly faster than the B-mono's. No big deal. I proped down from a 642 to a 640 and all was good.

So what was the result of this year? We could not of asked for a more successfull year. Our District Director who is the IMPBA gas director has sold all his gas boats and has invested thousands of dollars into FE gear. We are probably going to increase the classes FE's can run in from three to six (not including two Open classes). I'm expecting the number of FE's racing to more than double.

So now tell me. What should I have done different? Danny had no input before the district voted in the FE rules and he does not run a P-mono which is the only class that the parity rule was a factor. He is also the only one in D12 who has this opinion. So now in a lame ass attempt to get support, he starts this poll. I did a pretty dam good job of walking a tightrope getting FE's in the district while keeping the nitro guys happy. Danny is entitled to his opinion, but keeps bringing this crap up whichis divisive and counter productive to what has been accomplished this year.

I don't see that questioning something he doesn't agree with as "a lame ass" attempt to get support.

[Doby]

I wouldn't race if it was like that for "open" class... doesn't open class mean that you are allowed to use as much power as you can keep under control and on the water? That rule would be just wrong...

In spec class I would be totally fine with it....

Agreed, but the issue is trying to "spec" nitro and FE boats together is not the easiest thing to do.

[don ferrette]

Let me give you an example:
In the spirit of good sportsmanship, any boats having a noticeable speed advantage over the majority of the boats in the heat will be asked to detune their boats to ensure competitive racing. If they do not comply, they shall be disqualified from the class for the race weekend.

Danny, if you send this to me in an e-mail written properly as a proposal to present at the distict meeting in late February I will present it to everyone and personally support it. Honestly I think that you probably read way too much into the wording that Chili Mike used in the original rules he wrote since there were no issues with that wording all last season but the above text you posted is fine with me. Also next time you decide there is something you don't like here's a suggestion- instead of starting out with words like "absolute disgust" in a thread someone wrote expressing the positives we accomplished how about something like "can we talk about how rule #6 is worded?" You'll get far more positive responses from myself and others like than as opposed to trashing someone's thread especially someone who has done so much good for FE in D12. I'm very grateful for all the effort the Chili put forth on this and will not sit by when someone pulls out a bat and starts swinging at one of my district members without justification I'll just go get a bigger bat....

And BTW- maybe next time you show up at an event why don't you actually come talk and socialize with us as opposed to staying 100 yards away like during your brief visit at fall SAW record trials. Most of us have had our rabies shots so there's really nothing to fear and we can actually be quite friendly. And while Spoon's post earlier this morning might it sound like I can be some kind of wild card when riled up, I stopped being like that years ago when I made extra money bouncing people out of bars.

[carlcisneros]

now Don just bounces Mike's Hard Lemonade bottles off the side of the trash bin.

[hazegry]

Don the saw event was my fault I was on call and needed to get back as fast as possible don't hold that againt danny.

[Diegoboy]

Don,
I came to the elizabeth saw to meet with Mike L and pick up my 1/8 kit. All you guys were very busy, and I don't interrupt people when they are talking or busy.
As for the change of words, I will embrace the new wordage and be very happy about it. Point taken about how I stated my opinion, but remember that it is exactly that, my opinion and not yours. Everyone's opinion does not have to be in line with yours, and if they're not, Please try not to verbally attack a new racer and call him childish and to put on his big boy pants. I was not attacking you, only the rule, but you felt the need to take that personally and attack me?
I do understand why it was worded that way, to ease the minds of the nitro guys about FE running with them, but no thought was given to a new member running FE that had no part in the rule creation and how that rule would be perceived.

Thank you for consdidering the rewording of the rule. I know that you don't have to, and after all this, probably don't want to, but thank you anyway.
Anyway, I did get to watch KP's rigger run at the SAW and was impressed by it. I wanted to stay, but Jason had to get back to work that afternoon.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Man you dont want to give this one up. LOL

Being that there is only nitro boat racing in my area, if the nitro guys said to be toss your electric in the water, if you are going to blow us away, all we ask is you detune some how. I WOULD SAY, SIGN ME UP AND WHENS THE FIRST RACE!

A club is a group of guys that has something in common. Nitro boats have nitro fuel as their common choice of power, if you are trying to assimilate to a club as a minority, you have to be willing to adapt or find somewhere else to make your own club.