High Roller Solution or HRS

[Doozie870]

There is a very simple cure for all the nonscence thats going on right now in oval racing above the spec level. Its called a claimer, whats going on now is nothing new, i.e. the guy with most money spent is probably going to win overall in the long run. Thats why to even things out, claiming was invented, probably 100 years ago maybe longer, what claiming means is, any racer in that particular class can claim any other racers (in this case boat) for X amount of dollars. Its extremely effective in other racing applications from dirt track cars to horses.

[ReddyWatts]

Thats an interesting thought. It would level the playing field.

[Darin Jordan]

Thats an interesting thought. It would level the playing field.

Guys... do you actually pay attention to the racing world??? Cars, boats, or otherwise???

I've raced cars, bikes, boats, tennis-shoes, you name it... It's always the same... Racing costs money... Welcome to Earth, enjoy your stay...

You know what you get with Claimer classes??? People who are willing to buy 10 motors that are "winners", and are willing to give them away at the end of the day to win...

Spec classes are the same thing... Guy buys 10 SV27 motors, dynos each one until he finds the one with the best performance... Can YOU afford to do that?? I can't...

I'm also confused as to why people think that EVERY class needs to be some kind of budget racers dream?? You guys are speaking of "spec" classes like they are something to be loathed... WHY??? What's wrong with having a balance of the classes??? Is your ego really so fragile that you feel you have to be competitive in EVERY class we have in order to be having fun???

Here's a plan.... Stop complaining, and maybe start selecting more carefully the level of participation you wish to have... and then race in the classes appropriate to that level...

Personally, I can't afford to be truely competitive in N2-Mono, P-Mono, N2-Sport, AND P-Sport, all in the same season... Last year, I focused on O-Mono... This year, I focused on N2-Sport... Next season, it's looking like I'll do alright in both N2 and P-Mono...

... but I don't think for a MINUTE that I can afford to do them all and do them up front... I have one or two classes that I really TRY to be competitive in, financially and otherwise, and the rest I just run because RACING IS FUN!!

There IS something for everyone out there... You may just have to get over the desire to win EVERYTHING you enter...

[ReddyWatts]

DJ, take off your blinders, you have tunnel vision.

It is an interesting idea. The Dallas Cowboys $$$ used to make the playoffs every year and have many titles. The league introduced the salary cap and leveled the playing field.

I think this would stifle boat competitions in their current stage, but in the future if the cost continues to rise or the competition dies from being too expensive, it could be an option to have boat cost limits in each class. It would really add another dimension to boat competitions. The races would be closer and the talented people would really come to the top.

[Doozie870]

Ive refined this a little bit more, the hull is really the persons pride, how its painted, hardware mounted, ect. What about motor,esc,and batts run for a tag? From what we are now learning, the cheaper setups are running with the expensive setups, so lets help these guys out, they are wasting money!!

[Darin Jordan]

Dream on guys... I don't have blinders on... I have almost 20-years of experience and many different types and levels of racing... I've seen claimer classes come and go... I've seen spec classes get expensive... I know the dreams going in and the disappointment coming out...

Tell you what... Why not just take this claimer thing a step further... make it so you can claim someones stuff BEFORE the race... How about we start in LSH in CO... I claim Doozies motor...

There... now let's race...

I still fail to understand why you guys think that EVERY class needs to follow this notion of being so "budget conscience"... We have Spec classes... We have limited classes... and we have more "open" classes... We have a little of everything... Sorry, you guys can't "claim" it all...

Stick to the classes you feel comfortable competing in and enjoy yourselves... It's not up to you to "fix" things for the rest of us who may aspire to push things a little further...

[ReddyWatts]

What are you smoking???

[Steven Vaccaro]

I'm not very smart. Please explain what claiming is again?

Also racing was dieing this past spring. All kinds of guys got out. I have spoken to a few clubs over the last 2-3 weeks and things are VERY strong. Stronger than before the lipo rules change. The MAIN difference. They are running club classes that deal with how they would like their own spec rules. To each his own they say. Darin's club has the classes that keep their club members coming. Doozies will do the same with different classes. Doesn't mean anyone is right or wrong!

[Darin Jordan]

What are you smoking???

The races would be closer and the talented people would really come to the top.

Apperently not as good a stuff as you can get ( I must not have the budget for the good stuff...)... because you are making the leap that the "talented people" aren't already coming to the top... I said above that guys like Brian Buaas, Dick Crowe, etc., win not only the "open" classes, but the spec classes as well... I'd say the cream is already rising to the top... Winners are going to win regardless of what rules are in place...

Steven is right, and perhaps is saying what I'm trying to say better than I can... To each his own... run the classes that work for you and enjoy yourselves... But stop putting others down for doing the same... We can't all race NASCAR or F1... Some of us have to race at the local Super Stock level instead... That's life... embrace it and enjoy...


And by the way.... I've been involved in the past year in helping to make reality one of the most popular "spec" classes ever... Spec SV27.... It was the biggest class at the Nationals... and people from Washington to Florida are racing under the rules our club came up with, in one form or another... And next week, our club is testing the waters for another someone "spec", or limited class, using the SV27 power system and the Top Speed 2 tunnels... This will be one of the least expensive classes I've ever competed in... and should be some of the most fun... Our club is VERY budget conscience, and we have something for everyone... big and little budgets... It's a good model and works...

We make room for everyone in our club... The rules you guys are coming up with on CO are great, and I would (perhaps will), happily comply with them... but they are not for everyone... they are actually quite exclusionary and discriminatory in many ways... but hey, if it works for you, so be it... Enjoy and have fun...

[Darin Jordan]

I'm not very smart. Please explain what claiming is again?

Steven,

Claiming is when there are rules in place that basically say that if you win a race, someone has the right to "claim" your equipment for a previously agreed-upon price...

For example, if we are racing N2-Mono... the rules might say that a racer may claim another racers motor for $75.00 at the conclusion of a race... It would seem logical that racers would be unwilling to spend much more than this on a motor then, because someone may claim it and the owner would lose anything over the $75.00 he spent...

It's basically a way to force people to not spend more than $75.00 (for the above example) on a motor for the class...

I think they do something similiar to this in horse racing... Horse wins... it can be claimed ("Claimer races") for $5,000 dollars... The owner isn't going to spend $100,000 on the foal from Seattle Slew to win this race...

So what you end up with are a bunch of junk boats out there running around... because no one is willing to spend the $$ on anything nice for fear that their competitor will "claim" it and they'd lose their hard work, their paint job, or otherwise their investment in time and $$$... I suppose in that respect the rules do what they were meant to do...

Also, if you don't have a spare, and someone "claims" your motor (if that's what the rule is), they could effectively keep you from racing... Look up "Claimer Class" on google and read some of the discussion that pops up... The cream will still rise, even in these classes... and it will taste the same as it does now...

[ReddyWatts]

DJ, dont get so worked up. I just said Doozie had an interesting idea. I tried to expand on it because I like to promote people being creative. There is always more than one way to do something right. Creativity is what has made FE a great hobby.

I still like his idea.

I also like your passion for FE.

[Steven Vaccaro]

Steven,

Claiming is when there are rules in place that basically say that if you win a race, someone has the right to "claim" your equipment for a previously agreed-upon price...

For example, if we are racing N2-Mono... the rules might say that a racer may claim another racers motor for $75.00 at the conclusion of a race... It would seem logical that racers would be unwilling to spend much more than this on a motor then, because someone may claim it and the owner would lose anything over the $75.00 he spent...

It's basically a way to force people to not spend more than $75.00 (for the above example) on a motor for the class...

I think they do something similiar to this in horse racing... Horse wins... it can be claimed ("Claimer races") for $5,000 dollars... The owner isn't going to spend $100,000 on the foal from Seattle Slew to win this race...

So what you end up with are a bunch of junk boats out there running around... because no one is willing to spend the $$ on anything nice for fear that their competitor will "claim" it and they'd lose their hard work, their paint job, or otherwise their investment in time and $$$... I suppose in that respect the rules do what they were meant to do...

Also, if you don't have a spare, and someone "claims" your motor (if that's what the rule is), they could effectively keep you from racing... Look up "Claimer Class" on google and read some of the discussion that pops up... The cream will still rise, even in these classes... and it will taste the same as it does now...

Interesting concept. But not for me! If that was the case I would say home and play with my toys. No one has rights to them except me!

[C.Smock]

exactly steven... it sounds like an idea that is better left to horse racing....

[Doby]

If someone "claimed " my boay, could I not just "claim" it right back ??
Its a fact of life that there will always be someone faster and with more money to blow on toys. Better get used to it.

[Doby]

boay = boat, I think faster than I type