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  • hydromaddicted
    Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 83

    #1

    Bad news for Lipo users

    To All Saft Lithium or Lithium Ion Battery Customers
    Re: Docket No. PHMSA-2009-0095 (HM-224F)
    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    The DOT Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration has published a Notice of
    Proposed Rule Making, the subject above, which will, if enacted, make shipping all lithium
    batteries and equipment containing lithium batteries above approximately 1 Ah nearly
    impossible by air shipment in the U.S. and much more costly. The NPRM was published in the
    Federal Register Volume 75, No.6/ Monday, January 11, 2010/ Proposed Rules starting on
    page 1302. Many of the associations and organizations for lithium batteries, electronics and
    transportation have been preparing detailed and complex comments to the NPRM. Your
    associations and organizations are almost certainly going to participate in the comment
    opportunity. If you do not have an organization alliance you can comment directly via this
    address:
    U. S. Department of Transportation
    Docket Operations (M-30)
    Ground Floor, Room W12-140
    1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE
    Washington, DC 20590-0001
    There is also a website which is not user friendly. Comments are due before end of day 12
    March, 2010. Extensions have been requested and denied. Compliance is proposed at 75
    days! This is the most broad reaching and deleterious Rule Making ever proposed on batteries.
    It will reach into every household in America and will significantly increase costs and slow down
    commerce. It is important that everyone be aware and be actively opposing this NPRM.
    Finally I strongly urge you to talk with your Congressional delegation about this topic. At least in
    theory, they are the final voice for all of us. Their version of this is H.R. 4016, a related and
    equally bad bill.
    Sincerely,
    Glen V. Bowling
    Vice President of Sales and Marketing
  • sailr
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Nov 2007
    • 6927

    #2
    So what is the website?

    Originally posted by hydromaddicted
    To All Saft Lithium or Lithium Ion Battery Customers
    Re: Docket No. PHMSA-2009-0095 (HM-224F)
    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    The DOT Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration has published a Notice of
    Proposed Rule Making, the subject above, which will, if enacted, make shipping all lithium
    batteries and equipment containing lithium batteries above approximately 1 Ah nearly
    impossible by air shipment in the U.S. and much more costly. The NPRM was published in the
    Federal Register Volume 75, No.6/ Monday, January 11, 2010/ Proposed Rules starting on
    page 1302. Many of the associations and organizations for lithium batteries, electronics and
    transportation have been preparing detailed and complex comments to the NPRM. Your
    associations and organizations are almost certainly going to participate in the comment
    opportunity. If you do not have an organization alliance you can comment directly via this
    address:
    U. S. Department of Transportation
    Docket Operations (M-30)
    Ground Floor, Room W12-140
    1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE
    Washington, DC 20590-0001
    There is also a website which is not user friendly. Comments are due before end of day 12
    March, 2010. Extensions have been requested and denied. Compliance is proposed at 75
    days! This is the most broad reaching and deleterious Rule Making ever proposed on batteries.
    It will reach into every household in America and will significantly increase costs and slow down
    commerce. It is important that everyone be aware and be actively opposing this NPRM.
    Finally I strongly urge you to talk with your Congressional delegation about this topic. At least in
    theory, they are the final voice for all of us. Their version of this is H.R. 4016, a related and
    equally bad bill.
    Sincerely,
    Glen V. Bowling
    Vice President of Sales and Marketing
    Mini Cat Racing USA
    www.minicatracingusa.com

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    • sailr
      Fast Electric Addict!
      • Nov 2007
      • 6927

      #3
      so anything below 1000mAh will be exempt?
      Mini Cat Racing USA
      www.minicatracingusa.com

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      • hydromaddicted
        Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 83

        #4
        The un user friendly website would be http://www.dot.gov/
        I'm not sure of the details, I'm just a messenger on this one.

        James

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        • hydromaddicted
          Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 83

          #5
          Here it is lots of reading

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          • wakeboardfusion
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 462

            #6
            Better stock up FAST!! So if i need batts from HK should I order NOW?

            What about my cell phone extended battery, its 1200mah. Does this mean i cant take it on a plane anymore?

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            • crabstick
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2008
              • 954

              #7
              Sure glad I live in New Zealand when I read junk like this
              Matt.
              FE, Nitro and Gas racing in Auckland
              www.rcboats.co.nz

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              • screwball
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2009
                • 464

                #8
                if this is the case im ordering from hobbyking tonight!

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                • JimClark
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 5907

                  #9
                  They have brought his up many times before and it has never been implemented. It is only a way to raise more taxes
                  "Our society strives to avoid any possibility of offending anyone except God.
                  Billy Graham

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                  • AndyKunz
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1437

                    #10
                    Originally posted by wakeboardfusion
                    Better stock up FAST!! So if i need batts from HK should I order NOW?

                    What about my cell phone extended battery, its 1200mah. Does this mean i cant take it on a plane anymore?
                    Did you read the PDF? Carry-on is OK. Checked baggage and cargo is not.

                    You have at least 75 days after published in the Federal Register - you still have lots of time (2.5 months bare minimum).

                    The sky is not falling.

                    It will be interesting to see if HK gets punitive damages or gets its shipping ability stopped.

                    BTW, the standards are already in place for international flights. This is just about the FAA catching up to the rest of the world. (That's in the PDF too).

                    Andy
                    Spektrum Development Team

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                    • hydromaddicted
                      Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 83

                      #11
                      I found this
                      Hyperion is already splitting higher capacity packs to meet regulations. Packs over 4000 mah, (4 amp hour), are being split. I.e., a 6s, 5000mah battery will be split in the same package into 2 3s packs and require a y harness to connect. See this link, http://media.hyperion.hk/dn/g3lipo/

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                      • RandyatBBY
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 3915

                        #12
                        From what Pat at RC Lipos told me there is a Has Mat terrif on 6S and above allready. Sorry about my spelling but it gets the point across.
                        Randy
                        For ABS, Fiberglass, Carbon hulls and Stainless hardware
                        BBY Racing

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                        • m4a1usr
                          Fast Electric Addict
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 2038

                          #13
                          What a bunch of hooey! You read the document and the URL they use for aviation incidents involving batteries doesnt even exsist. Nice reference material to be used in the departments decision process.

                          John

                          The Federal Aviation Administration is an operating mode of the U.S. Department of Transportation.
                          Change is the one Constant

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                          • scooterP
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 237

                            #14
                            The sky is falling........the sky is falling!!!! I'll believe it when it happens. Just another way this screwed up country is focusing on things to generate the corrupt government another source of funding. I mean, isn't there something else our self absorbed representatives could focus on.....like....something IMPORTANT

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