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  • Chinewalker
    Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 40

    #1

    Micro Outboard Upgrade

    With my 1/4 scale hydro back-burnered for the moment while I re-stock the wallet, I turned my attention to something a little different. I've been a collector of small toy outboard motors for years, eveything from the 1950s K&O outboards to the 1970s/1980s model Mitsuwas, etc. The one thing they all had in common is that they were cheaply made (even if the motors themselves are no longer cheap to buy!!). As such, they really didn't go very well on a boat. Fine for the bath tub, but not much more. Pump up the voltage and the cheap copper brushes would curl up or burn right off.

    Which brings me to this Saturday morning. I have a couple of the 1990s era Nylint plastic toy outboard motors. Again - cheaply made. They use the RE-260 Mabuchi can motors with the copper brushes, and the prop, propshaft and prop gear are molded as one piece. As such there's a LOT of slop in the drive train, particularly between the pinion and propshaft gears. One of my motors was brand new and the pinion would not stay in contact with the propshaft gear!

    So, I took one of the "played with" motors apart to see what was going on and to assess whether it could be made better. I started with the gears. I made a shim, approx. .022" thick out of a nylon washer. Getting it on the propshaft was the next step, so I cut a slit on one side of the washer to allow it to slide over the propshaft. I then CA glued the washer to the rear face of the propshaft gear to act as a spacer bushing. This tightened things up nicely with only the slightest hint of gear play now.

    I then moved onto the motor. I had an RC-280 can motor with the carbon brushes in my junk box, so I removed the end bell from that and installed it on the RE-260 can. This should give the motor a bit more life and allow it to handle some extra voltage.

    I put it all back together and test ran it in a cup of water on 6V and it ran beautifully! Pushed a lot of water! I ran it briefly on a 7.2V pack and it just about emptied the cup!

    Here's a video of it running on 6V. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcf...board-mod_tech

    Now that I had the motor beefed up, I moved onto a boat. I had this catamaran hull in a box of "project boats". It is a Fleet Line plastic hull from the 1960s and originally had a pair of cheap, plastic Johnson 40hp motors on it. It originally had a cabin portion that didn't come with it when I bought it off eBay over 10 years ago. It measures a hair under 12-inches long.

    I tested in the tub with the 6V pack and it went pretty good, but not quite planing speed. It's actually pretty close, though! I will see if I can get a small 7.4 LiPo which will take a bunch of weight out of the boat and give more juice. If that works, then I'll see about adding some lightweight electronics to make it fully R/C. There's also room to mess around with motor angle and height, too. Should be fun!
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  • Eodman
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Sep 2007
    • 1253

    #2
    Memories ---- back in the day I had a model of a Lone Star with a Merc on the tail end ... little silver lever on outside of motor to turn it on!

    The combination was sold by Kiekaufer Mercury dealers or given away to buyers of new Mercury's!

    Wish i still had it!

    As a side note The early Lone Star boats did not have transom wells so when I sat in the back of the boat I always thought the water was going to come over the transom! Now mind you I'm like 8 or 9 and when you slow down the water appears to rush up towards the back of the boat so in my mind I'm thinking oh sh*t we're gonna sink!!!!!
    We did it with a Bang!

    Cats Are Where It's At!

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    • Chinewalker
      Member
      • Feb 2010
      • 40

      #3
      Okay, the River was calm this morning and I found a small snip of access at a dock down the road from my house. I tied fishing line to the bow to allow retrieval as the boat is free-running at the moment. The dock was about 2 feet from the water so I had to get on my hands and knees to launch the boat. I flicked the switch and the boat promptly flipped over backwards! BUT, this was after it had PLANED OFF and run about 5 feet before the fishing line snapped taught and pulled the bow up and over. I pulled the boat in and nothing seemed to be too wet - the outboard was all that really went under water - briefly at that.

      It still ran, so I tried it again - this time playing out a bit more line. Flicked the switch and away it went! I scambled to my knees and followed it along the length of the dock - it performed beautifully! Planed off and really scooted quite well! It ran maybe 60 feet or so before the motor slowed quickly and died. I don't think the battery ran flat as the slow down was abrupt. Pending an autopsy, my hunch is that the motor burned out.

      Anyway, here's what we learned...
      • The power is there to plane off a small, lightweight boat.
      • The gears will hold up.
      • The motor worked well enough to warrant further development and addition of an ESC and servo.

      I am really jazzed with this thing. I've had the vintage toy outboard boats for years but they always just putted along, never even coming close to planing speed. Seeing this one scoot along was really impressive! I will take the motor apart later this week to see if I can find out what let go.

      Sorry, no pictures or video yet. I was flying solo this morning and didn't have enough hands to run the camera, launch the boat and keep after it once going... I will make sure I have a helper next time...

      - Scott

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      • Chinewalker
        Member
        • Feb 2010
        • 40

        #4
        Success!! Sort of...

        Okay, the River was calm this morning and I found a small snip of access at a dock down the road from my house. I tied fishing line to the bow to allow retrieval as the boat is free-running at the moment. The dock was about 2 feet from the water so I had to get on my hands and knees to launch the boat. I flicked the switch and the boat promptly flipped over backwards! BUT, this was after it had PLANED OFF and run about 5 feet before the fishing line snapped taught and pulled the bow up and over. I pulled the boat in and nothing seemed to be too wet - the outboard was all that really went under water - briefly at that.

        It still ran, so I tried it again - this time playing out a bit more line. Flicked the switch and away it went! I scambled to my knees and followed it along the length of the dock - it performed beautifully! Planed off and really scooted quite well! It ran maybe 60 feet or so before the motor slowed quickly and died. I don't think the battery ran flat as the slow down was abrupt. Pending an autopsy, my hunch is that the motor burned out.

        Anyway, here's what we learned...
        • The power is there to plane off a small, lightweight boat.
        • The gears will hold up.
        • The motor worked well enough to warrant further development and addition of an ESC and servo.

        I am really jazzed with this thing. I've had the vintage toy outboard boats for years but they always just putted along, never even coming close to planing speed. Seeing this one scoot along was really impressive! I will take the motor apart later this week to see if I can find out what let go.

        Sorry, no pictures or video yet. I was flying solo this morning and didn't have enough hands to run the camera, launch the boat and keep after it once going... I will make sure I have a helper next time...

        - Scott

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        • Chinewalker
          Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 40

          #5
          Okay, had a few false starts - snapped a couple of the thin tubing couplers that held the motor output shaft to the driveshaft. Got serious about that and added a piece of 1mm I.D. automotive bleeder hose.

          So, this morning I headed back to the water's edge and it worked - and I got video this time! Only limitation was my fishing line retrieval system as she's a free running mini-beast to this point. The boat took on water any time I tried to steer it (less than gracefully). Had a couple of fairly good loops in the protected part of our harbor.
          Got a few bugs worked out - burned up a motor and snapped a few shaft couplings - but I think I have things working well now. Got a few good free runs out of it, tied to a fishing line to retrieve it. Battery is a 400mah LiPo. Now that I know the motor has the power to plane off the boat, I will add a micro servo, 6A ESC and a receiver to make it RC. Shell is a Nylint toy Mercury outboard motor. Electric motor is a Mabuchi RC-260RA with carbon brushes. Modifications include the new motor (replacing the original RE-260), a shimmed propshaft to take up the sloppy gear lash, heavier duty coupling and lots of grease on the gears and bearing surfaces.


          Next step - haven't decided whether to add R/C to this particular boat or build a super light 10 or 11 inch outboard hydro for this motor. Probably ought to finish my 1/4 scale version first, eh?

          - Scott
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          • FloatDaBoat
            Bare Bones Fabricator
            • Sep 2009
            • 368

            #6
            I had to chuckle - - reminds me of trying to handline a Big Ole Catfish !!!

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