Neu 2x 1521 1.5d or 1Y for 80mph...?

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  • vvviivvv
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • May 2009
    • 1079

    #1

    Neu 2x 1521 1.5d or 1Y for 80mph...?

    I've seen the Hpr115 run 80mph+ with 2x Neu 1521's... unfortunately i couldn't get it out of the guy what motor winding he used,

    the set up was 2x Neu 1521 Hydra 240 6s octura x447... im at the stage the minute offshore electrics has them in stock i will order

    there is a difference of 6300 ish rpm's running it on 6s between the 2 motors,

    i was planning on the 1.5d but if that boat i sore was a 1Y ill probs be doing 100mph?

    i also plan to use propshop props instead of octura, a 4518/3 set and a 4714/2 is what ive got to try

    i have raised this topic before but i never got a definitive answer i really dont want to spend all this money and ruin this boat, ( sounds weird but too slow counts as ruined too * i wont be buying any other motors for it*)
    Hpr 06 / 09 / 150 /185, Mhz Skater H45 hydro.
    Uk SAW record holder
  • Steven Vaccaro
    Administrator
    • Apr 2007
    • 8720

    #2
    Not many people have done these, so getting an exact answer will be difficult. Also, If you email me what you want I can email you when they are available.
    Steven Vaccaro

    Where Racing on a Budget is a Reality!

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    • mike martin
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 273

      #3
      I would think the 1ys would do it and a lot easier on the speedos you could even run it on 8 and 10s for saws runs

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      • vvviivvv
        Fast Electric Addict!
        • May 2009
        • 1079

        #4
        Originally posted by mike martin
        I would think the 1ys would do it and a lot easier on the speedos you could even run it on 8 and 10s for saws runs
        A 1y on 8s is 53k rpm...? Isn't that too much and then on 10s it's going to be higher than the 60k rpm and higher than the max volts?

        7s might be a option although I wanted to run 6 max...

        Steve, do you have a estimated delivery time for the neu's
        Hpr 06 / 09 / 150 /185, Mhz Skater H45 hydro.
        Uk SAW record holder

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        • mike martin
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 273

          #5
          Originally posted by vvviivvv
          A 1y on 8s is 53k rpm...? Isn't that too much and then on 10s it's going to be higher than the 60k rpm and higher than the max volts?

          7s might be a option although I wanted to run 6 max...

          Steve, do you have a estimated delivery time for the neu's
          I don,t know how you get 53k rpm I usualy use 3.8v per cell when calculating rpm for saws runs so 8s= 47120rpm and 10s = 58900rpm not the optamal rpm range but it will work beleive me I've done it more than once. any way that was just a ( if you wanted to thing) I would still go with the 2 1521 1y it should hit you goal and everything will run longer and cooler. just my $0.02 good luck with the project I would love to see it run when your done.

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          • Steven Vaccaro
            Administrator
            • Apr 2007
            • 8720

            #6
            Originally posted by vvviivvv

            Steve, do you have a estimated delivery time for the neu's
            I dont. Basically this is how it works.
            I have a constant order going and when they make a motor or motors, they ship.
            Its not the fastest motor to get, but it is the fastest motor
            Steven Vaccaro

            Where Racing on a Budget is a Reality!

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            • vvviivvv
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • May 2009
              • 1079

              #7
              Ok, I will run the Y over the D

              i did get this off someone tho,

              Hi

              We made the first test's with 2 lehner 1950/6 on 6 s Zippy's and managed to get the boat running 142 km/h.But the prob was that the engines getting very hot.
              So we changed to the neu 1521/1,5 (1900upm) and the boat is runing the same speed but the engines are cold !!
              During our experience with the MHZ mystics (180cm,113cm,84cm) we noticed that the weight of the boat is more important than we thought.
              So benny (owner of the boat) made the decision to change his setup to the neu1521/1 at 5s to get less weight in his boat.
              That is the only reason for this decision.
              I don't think that you had to change your setup to the 1521/1 on 6 s.
              You'l had to know that some guys running the 113cm mystic @ 174 km/h here in germany.
              Hpr 06 / 09 / 150 /185, Mhz Skater H45 hydro.
              Uk SAW record holder

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              • elvish
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 125

                #8
                hello
                a question am having on this,
                If we take neu motor(same model),
                would the motor with smaller kv and higher amps, work better than the one with higher kv and less amps, if in the end they both give the same amount of rpm.
                hope you understand what am trying to ask :)

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                • vvviivvv
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • May 2009
                  • 1079

                  #9
                  do you mean volts not amps?
                  Hpr 06 / 09 / 150 /185, Mhz Skater H45 hydro.
                  Uk SAW record holder

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                  • sailr
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 6927

                    #10
                    Bear in mind that, generally speaking, as you go up in KV, you go DOWN in prop size!

                    Originally posted by elvish
                    hello
                    a question am having on this,
                    If we take neu motor(same model),
                    would the motor with smaller kv and higher amps, work better than the one with higher kv and less amps, if in the end they both give the same amount of rpm.
                    hope you understand what am trying to ask :)
                    Mini Cat Racing USA
                    www.minicatracingusa.com

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                    • elvish
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 125

                      #11
                      do you mean volts not amps?
                      yes sorry...

                      lets take examples:

                      neu 1521/1.5Y 1050Kv X 3.7v X 11cell = 42735
                      neu 1521/1Y 1577Kv X 3.7v X 7cell = 40844.3
                      neu 1521/1.5D 1860Kv X 3.7v X 6cell = 41292
                      neu 1521/1D 2900Kv X 3.7v X 4cell = 42920

                      will they perfom equally well?

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                      • vvviivvv
                        Fast Electric Addict!
                        • May 2009
                        • 1079

                        #12
                        Originally posted by elvish
                        yes sorry...

                        lets take examples:

                        neu 1521/1.5Y 1050Kv X 3.7v X 11cell = 42735
                        neu 1521/1Y 1577Kv X 3.7v X 7cell = 40844.3
                        neu 1521/1.5D 1860Kv X 3.7v X 6cell = 41292
                        neu 1521/1D 2900Kv X 3.7v X 4cell = 42920

                        will they perfom equally well?
                        Not 100% but the 1.5y will swing the biggest prop and have the lowest amp draw (compared to the others on same prop) the 1521/1D will have the highest

                        but then there is alot of weight difference between a 11 cell pack and a 4 cell pack
                        Hpr 06 / 09 / 150 /185, Mhz Skater H45 hydro.
                        Uk SAW record holder

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                        • mike martin
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 273

                          #13
                          Originally posted by vvviivvv
                          Ok, I will run the Y over the D

                          i did get this off someone tho,

                          Hi

                          We made the first test's with 2 lehner 1950/6 on 6 s Zippy's and managed to get the boat running 142 km/h.But the prob was that the engines getting very hot.
                          So we changed to the neu 1521/1,5 (1900upm) and the boat is runing the same speed but the engines are cold !!
                          During our experience with the MHZ mystics (180cm,113cm,84cm) we noticed that the weight of the boat is more important than we thought.
                          So benny (owner of the boat) made the decision to change his setup to the neu1521/1 at 5s to get less weight in his boat.
                          That is the only reason for this decision.
                          I don't think that you had to change your setup to the 1521/1 on 6 s.
                          You'l had to know that some guys running the 113cm mystic @ 174 km/h here in germany.

                          I don,t understand are they running the 1.5d on 5s ? if so that wouldn,t be so bad the rpm would be about the same as the 1y on 6s. another good option if you haven,t got the batteries yet

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                          • vvviivvv
                            Fast Electric Addict!
                            • May 2009
                            • 1079

                            #14
                            Originally posted by mike martin
                            I don,t understand are they running the 1.5d on 5s ? if so that wouldn,t be so bad the rpm would be about the same as the 1y on 6s. another good option if you haven,t got the batteries yet
                            ill email him and ask for more specifics but i got the idea of 1521 1.5d on 6s and now 1d on 5s...?
                            Hpr 06 / 09 / 150 /185, Mhz Skater H45 hydro.
                            Uk SAW record holder

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                            • vvviivvv
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • May 2009
                              • 1079

                              #15
                              ahh i want to scream, doing some math and all the speed toy set ups are running around 40 - 42k rpm... is the Neu 1521 comparable to a Lehner 2240? there are 2240/8 set ups that are on 6s which are 10Kv less than a Neu 1521 1.5d... if a Neu will have the torque and be able to handle this, ill be getting a 1.5D
                              Hpr 06 / 09 / 150 /185, Mhz Skater H45 hydro.
                              Uk SAW record holder

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