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  • Flying Scotsman
    Fast Electric Adict!
    • Jun 2007
    • 5190

    #16
    Originally posted by properchopper
    Please understand that I'm not trying to be negative here, but consider the plight of the hull builders who've put time and effort into a good design only to have it splashed. H&M, MHZ, and even Randy and Brian have danced with this. Knowing that this is a real possibility may often inhibit the best of intentions from such designer/builders. The DF and HOR boats are a good example of this. Just a thought.
    That is the point and I am proud to be a new owner of a Brian designed and built shovel dark horse

    Douggie

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    • properchopper
      • Apr 2007
      • 6968

      #17
      Again, a great thread for airing out our predictions & desires. So here's a wish I've had on my mind for a long time; maybe not any further "outside the box" than some others here : I want training in the area of driving. A Driver's Seminar/School. While my boats are seemingly fast and competative, the only wins I've ever achieved came with guys like Jay, Randy, Dan Chase, Darin, and Dave {Newland} at my shoulder on the driver's stand. Unrealistic maybe, but no more so than some other expectations aired here.
      2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
      2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
      '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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      • properchopper
        • Apr 2007
        • 6968

        #18
        Originally posted by Flying Scotsman
        That is the point and I am proud to be a new owner of a Brian designed and built shovel dark horse

        Douggie
        Douggie, I'm way jazzed at your upcoming new arrival ! I'm sure Jan will be glad to answer any setup questions you'll have ; without him my hydros would be flippin' & floppin'
        2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
        2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
        '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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        • Gerwin Brommer
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2008
          • 918

          #19
          I think we need stronger hulls....................

          One thing makes me very happy : a boat is a boat, and it still looks like a boat.
          And it seems we want it that way !!!

          ( When I think of , for example, depron park/indoorflyers. Those ugly flat fusilages, flat wings.
          They even can fly forwards, "brake"and then fly BACKWARDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

          A big issue for designers/builders is "fashion". Over here in Europe there is a strong "need" to
          "have the latest model". Once a model is "old fashion" they will sell almost none anymore.
          So the risks are high.

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          • rockwerks
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2008
            • 772

            #20
            Originally posted by properchopper
            Please understand that I'm not trying to be negative here, but consider the plight of the hull builders who've put time and effort into a good design only to have it splashed. H&M, MHZ, and even Randy and Brian have danced with this. Knowing that this is a real possibility may often inhibit the best of intentions from such designer/builders. The DF and HOR boats are a good example of this. Just a thought.
            True, I ran into that in the jeep industry, I made several XJ skidplate designs only to have them stolen by a good christian from the midwest. Gotta love screwing people over to be forgiven on Sunday
            an RC rock crawler lost in a sea of boat parts.........

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            • 6S HYDRO
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Mar 2009
              • 1320

              #21
              internal motor watercooling

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              • Ub Hauled
                Fast Electric Addict!
                • Aug 2007
                • 3031

                #22
                Originally posted by 6S HYDRO
                internal motor watercooling
                I go a steo further, internal cooled outrunners... it's possible, but a little difficult to do.
                :::::::::::::::. It's NEVER fast enough! .:::::::::::::::

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                • Darin Jordan
                  Fast Electric Addict!
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 8335

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Ub Hauled
                  I go a steo further, internal cooled outrunners... it's possible, but a little difficult to do.
                  I think those already exist... I talked to the guy who was doing it... can't remember his name, but I think he's on here somewhere....

                  In my opinion, and this is coming from a strictly racing standpoint, I'd like to see the number of voltage levels reduced... It's all very redundant and unnecessary...

                  I think we need to concentrate on three levels of power...

                  1) 4S Spec Classes
                  2) 4S Open Classes
                  3) up to 10S OPEN

                  That would provide all of the racing that one would ever need, at every price point... Then, instead of running upteen classes... we could get to running more ROUNDS instead... 4 or 5 rounds, instead of the three we do now... Then a DNF or a DNS doesn't take you out for the day. You could travel to races with fewer boats, and still get just as much time on the water, etc...

                  From an all-around boating standpoint, I'd REALLY like to see a more reliable high-voltage controller out there... We can run our spec and Nue 4S stuff all day long... now we need something for 6S to 10S...
                  Darin E. Jordan - Renton, WA
                  "Self-proclaimed skill-less leader in the hobby."

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                  • Ub Hauled
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 3031

                    #24
                    Darin, good call on the voltage classes... but I'd like to see:

                    2s
                    4s
                    and 8s

                    flavor for all needs for speed.
                    I believe you are right as far as the cooled outrunner, I've heard it too (hens the comment)...
                    maybe we can see it soon.
                    :::::::::::::::. It's NEVER fast enough! .:::::::::::::::

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                    • Flying Scotsman
                      Fast Electric Adict!
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 5190

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Gerwin Brommer
                      I think we need stronger hulls....................

                      One thing makes me very happy : a boat is a boat, and it still looks like a boat.
                      And it seems we want it that way !!!

                      ( When I think of , for example, depron park/indoorflyers. Those ugly flat fusilages, flat wings.
                      They even can fly forwards, "brake"and then fly BACKWARDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

                      A big issue for designers/builders is "fashion". Over here in Europe there is a strong "need" to
                      "have the latest model". Once a model is "old fashion" they will sell almost none anymore.
                      So the risks are high.
                      Gerwin, that is one reason I purchased a Brian/Raptor designed and built shovel hull. I love the old designs and do not have a clue how to build or set it up. I will be looking for advise.

                      Douggie

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                      • properchopper
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 6968

                        #26
                        Darin , I agree with your concept of reducing the number of FE classes & upping the number of rounds. Maybe the future can hold some promise in that direction since Al Waters is running for NAMBA president. He definitely has his ear tuned to FE, and his close association with the Grims, who also strongly support FE , could bring FE racing to a more updated level.
                        2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
                        2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
                        '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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                        • Gerwin Brommer
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 918

                          #27
                          In the future I'd like to see a PT SS21 or 45 on my shelf.........................

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                          • teach
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 509

                            #28
                            I hope for more people more then anything. I don't think the other RCers out there know what hey are missing.

                            My two oldest boys (6 and 3) bug me every weekend to get them a boat.

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                            • Steven Vaccaro
                              Administrator
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 8720

                              #29
                              I would like to see 3s power. You racers are missing the "boat" on that. I run 3s in my delta 26 and its a rocket with one cheap pack. No need to parallel.
                              Steven Vaccaro

                              Where Racing on a Budget is a Reality!

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                              • Steven Vaccaro
                                Administrator
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 8720

                                #30
                                Originally posted by properchopper
                                Please understand that I'm not trying to be negative here, but consider the plight of the hull builders who've put time and effort into a good design only to have it splashed. H&M, MHZ, and even Randy and Brian have danced with this. Knowing that this is a real possibility may often inhibit the best of intentions from such designer/builders. The DF and HOR boats are a good example of this. Just a thought.
                                I understand what you are saying. But in reference to Delta Force, they just filled a niche that Seaducer wouldn't or couldn't fill. Seaducer was asked many times to make a good looking hatch for their hulls. As far as I know they never did.
                                Steven Vaccaro

                                Where Racing on a Budget is a Reality!

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