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  • properchopper
    • Apr 2007
    • 6968

    #1

    Tactic receiver goes up in flames !

    Here's what happened : Ran my Shovel out from the stand, turned right & forgot to reverse the steering from my UL-1 setting, { yeah, I know, should'a checked it first } so I flipped it - 60 mph hydros don't like left turns . Got the rescue boat out to the shovel; blipped the throttle & it worked. Got back to the table, untaped & the rcvr was on fire !! Melted all the connectors & the case. Here's 3 possibilities :

    1] My CC BEC was prgrmd for 6V out [ leftover setting from my LSO boat which needed some grunt to steer left]. I metered the BEC & it was right at 6V out.The UL-1 BEC puts out 5.2 V at 2 Amps ; the CC BEC puts out a "max" of 10 Amps. Overload ?

    2] seemed wet, although it was Corrosion X'd, possible water shorting ?

    3] random smoke-exiting for unexplained reasons.

    I'm liking #1 explanation & will eliminate the CC BEC & use a rcvr pak most likely. Be Advised !!

    This was right before I destroyed my sweet, sweet VS-1 by running it into a turn Buoy. What a day !!
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  • Flying Scotsman
    Fast Electric Adict!
    • Jun 2007
    • 5190

    #2
    Tony, #1, never use BEC

    Douggie

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    • theShark
      Junior Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 25

      #3
      Whoa, hope nothing else got buggered. I use BEC in everything even if the esc has a bec an external will let the esc run cooler.

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      • properchopper
        • Apr 2007
        • 6968

        #4
        Originally posted by Flying Scotsman
        Tony, #1, never use BEC

        Douggie
        the Hydra 240 BEC that I was running has the BEC bypassed [ red wire interrupted]. I was using an outboard CC BEC.
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        • properchopper
          • Apr 2007
          • 6968

          #5
          Originally posted by theShark
          Whoa, hope nothing else got buggered. I use BEC in everything even if the esc has a bec an external will let the esc run cooler.
          That's exactly why I run an external BEC on pretty much all my fleet except for the watercooled, Etti-capped CC 80 in my UL-1 which stays within a reasonable range [ @ 110 deg]
          2008 NAMBA P-Mono & P-Offshore Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder; '15 P-Cat, P-Ltd Cat 2-Lap
          2009/2010 NAMBA P-Sport Hydro Nat'l 2-Lap Record Holder, '13 SCSTA P-Ltd Cat High Points
          '11 NAMBA [P-Ltd] : Mono, Offshore, OPC, Sport Hydro; '06 LSO, '12,'13,'14 P Ltd Cat /Mono

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          • Steven Vaccaro
            Administrator
            • Apr 2007
            • 8723

            #6
            Wow Tony thats the first I've heard of any rx. Did you see an actual flame or just smoke?

            For years I have always just a cheapo 4 aa holder. So far they have never failed me, but I do use lots of Energiser batteries.
            Steven Vaccaro

            Where Racing on a Budget is a Reality!

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            • Simon.O.
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Oct 2007
              • 1521

              #7
              Originally posted by Steven Vaccaro
              Wow Tony thats the first I've heard of any rx. Did you see an actual flame or just smoke?

              For years I have always just a cheapo 4 aa holder. So far they have never failed me, but I do use lots of Energiser batteries.
              Tony, without seeing your setup, as seen and smoking, I can not offer a lot of help other than a 6V pack vs a 4.8V pack for a LSO justified by a powerful steering servo is a bit off.
              I run a super-crawler, local mates only style comps and a 6V rx pack is fine (needed) there. These run 15 kg (35+lb) servos.

              Fwiw. For a Rx pack for my boats I use a 9V flat cell that is commonly found in domestic smoke alarms, I hope you all have one or more and they work.

              These are a low Ah cell but have high V for the Rx. They work for me well.

              I have had one of my favourite Rx's wet so many times it is well less than funny. Each time it comes back for more. I have to do a waterproof rx box for the opc tunnel

              I am surprised that a Rx would fry, including smoke.
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              • Steven Vaccaro
                Administrator
                • Apr 2007
                • 8723

                #8
                Originally posted by Simon.O.
                Tony, without seeing your setup, as seen and smoking, I can not offer a lot of help other than a 6V pack vs a 4.8V pack for a LSO justified by a powerful steering servo is a bit off.
                I run a super-crawler, local mates only style comps and a 6V rx pack is fine (needed) there. These run 15 kg (35+lb) servos.

                Fwiw. For a Rx pack for my boats I use a 9V flat cell that is commonly found in domestic smoke alarms, I hope you all have one or more and they work.

                These are a low Ah cell but have high V for the Rx. They work for me well.

                I have had one of my favourite Rx's wet so many times it is well less than funny. Each time it comes back for more. I have to do a waterproof rx box for the opc tunnel

                I am surprised that a Rx would fry, including smoke.
                Simon I also used to run the 9v packs when I first started, but when the esc switch was rolling towards brushless, we were all told that brushless esc's would have issues with 9 volts. Wonder if that was false?
                Steven Vaccaro

                Where Racing on a Budget is a Reality!

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                • RayR
                  @SiestaKey.calm
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 1518

                  #9
                  2.4 MHz recievers do not like 9V.

                  Ray

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                  • bustitup
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 3071

                    #10
                    Originally posted by properchopper
                    the Hydra 240 BEC that I was running has the BEC bypassed [ red wire interrupted]. I was using an outboard CC BEC.
                    those can be just as bad....I never use a bec any more..... ALLWAYS RX BATT PACK NOW
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                    • SJFE
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4735

                      #11
                      Wow sorry to hear you had such bad luck Props .

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                      • Flying Scotsman
                        Fast Electric Adict!
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 5190

                        #12
                        Originally posted by properchopper
                        the Hydra 240 BEC that I was running has the BEC bypassed [ red wire interrupted]. I was using an outboard CC BEC.
                        Woops, sorry Tony I did not see external BEC. Although, that was possibly the cause with a malfunction or more likely a RX issue
                        I run a external 5 cell NI-MH 1400mah packs and have had no problems. I just do not like BEC circuitry within the RX

                        Douggie
                        Last edited by Flying Scotsman; 05-06-2009, 11:49 AM.

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                        • Ub Hauled
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 3031

                          #13
                          I was present at the time, it's a matter of fact, I asked him to go out one more time to play, I feel a little guilty but not much ... it would have gone up in flames anyhow...
                          I think the only reason there weren't any flames it's 'cause the Rx was in a balloon and had no air, it was a pretty thick smoke. I wanna say it was some sort of Rx failure, specially since it worked a couple for a rounds earlier.
                          Does anyone have an instruction sheet for the Rx? What is the max voltage specified for it?
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                          • Flying Scotsman
                            Fast Electric Adict!
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 5190

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Steven Vaccaro
                            Simon I also used to run the 9v packs when I first started, but when the esc switch was rolling towards brushless, we were all told that brushless esc's would have issues with 9 volts. Wonder if that was false?
                            The problem with 9v nominal is that many servos will self destruct, as they are designed for 6v nominal, give or take 25%. Ask a Hitec service tech this question and you will have an interesting answer.

                            Douggie

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                            • AndyKunz
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1437

                              #15
                              Rex - Spektrum takes 9V just fine. Read the specs here: http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...odID=SPMSR3100

                              6V is usually not going to be a problem. I'd be very surprised if the Tactic rx fried from that, since most guys run 5-cell batteries on their receivers. Tower doesn't have a voltage spec on their website.

                              The CCBEC is a pretty good product.

                              Andy
                              Spektrum Development Team

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