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  • webdesaster
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 22

    #1

    Radio problems (airtronics MT4)

    Hello everybody,

    I got some radio issues on my airtronics MT4. Hopefully ou can give me some information on that problem, so let me explain:

    When I finished my boat, I bought a Spektrum DX3C transmitter with its receiver, I put that in my boat and on the lake, I realised that I lost connection with the boat on less then 100ft. So I relocated the antenna outside the hull, and went testing: the range was bit better but not that what I expected. At that moment I was using a 4 cell 2000mAh NIMH battery pack on the receiver.
    After talking to some people I sold my Spektrum and got an Airtronics MT4. With this transmitter the range was way better, but I still lost connection at moments. I changed the receivers battery pack to 1600mAh 5 cell NIMH, but still lost connection. I noticed also that I forgot to turn on the failsafe on the transmitter, and after cogitating about that problem, I realised that if I had really lost connection due to too much distance, the boat should have continued at the same speed without putting the ESC's to neutral position. But in my case the boat stopped, and I had to approach the boat to reconnection. The servo I use is a Savox 1251MG, and my boat is a SAW catamaran which goes at about 95 mph.

    So the question I'm asking is, is the connection loss due to high distance (and what can I do to improve it? I'm expecting a range of >500 meters) or is the servo consuming so much power that the receiver is switching off?

    Sorry for my bad english^^ I'm not a native english speaker

    Thanks, Claude
  • gsbuickman
    Fast Electric Addict!
    • Jul 2011
    • 1292

    #2
    Welcome to OSE ,

    What hull are you running ?. How about some pics of your setup ?. I'm going to guess and say that you're running a gas boat ?, if so have you talked to the gas monkeys here ?


    With our fast electrics, we generally time our runs for 4-5 minutes, then pull the boats in and check the temperatures & batteries before making another run. If your running a tank of fuel that lasts for let's say, 12-15 minutes, its very plausible your Rx battery runs out b4 your tank. Your lucky to get 5 minutes off a 1600mah NiMH with a high draw servo. After a run how much power is left in the battery ?....
    Last edited by gsbuickman; 04-10-2014, 07:32 PM.

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    • Luck as a Constant
      Make Total Destroy
      • Mar 2014
      • 1952

      #3
      Radio problems (airtronics MT4)

      He runs electric

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      • Luck as a Constant
        Make Total Destroy
        • Mar 2014
        • 1952

        #4
        Radio problems (airtronics MT4)

        If you bothered to read any of his other posts youde have noticed he's running an H&m electric setup.


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        • gsbuickman
          Fast Electric Addict!
          • Jul 2011
          • 1292

          #5
          Originally posted by Luck as a Constant
          If you bothered to read any of his other posts youde have noticed he's running an H&m electric setup.

          :tnhc


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          Well pardon me all too hell

          I am going off the fact that hes running a failsafe & has run 2 different rx packs. When was the last time you ran an esc that didn't have a bec ?. Even both of the astroflight hydro brushed esc's i have kicking around have bec's in them. Who knows, maybe your mistaken.


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          • Luck as a Constant
            Make Total Destroy
            • Mar 2014
            • 1952

            #6
            Radio problems (airtronics MT4)

            I wasn't trying to be mean, just suggesting checking out his other thread with his boat in there. Sorry dude.

            i was going off the fact that he said his esc's went back to neutral. i don't know any gas guys who use esc's
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            • photohoward1
              Fast Electric Addict!
              • Mar 2009
              • 1610

              #7
              Most guys that run 6s and above can not use BEC. All my big boats 6S and above I run a LIFo Battery. BTW Almost no Gas boats run 95mph. But hey we all make mistakes?

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              • ls1fst98
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 859

                #8
                Originally posted by webdesaster
                I realised that if I had really lost connection due to too much distance, the boat should have continued at the same speed without putting the ESC's to neutral position.

                seems to me its electric, he could be speaking of failsafe built into the rx? but without pics of the setup . but hes wanting to run 500+meters..thats over a 1/4 mile away...seems a bit far to me. but i know in my car esc if it loses signal it stop until it picks up signal again, not like a servo that will hold at last known position.
                HPR 135 redemption, HPR C5009, modded zelos 36, 32 boats and counting.
                Flier ESC dealer, pm me for details.
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                • webdesaster
                  Junior Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 22

                  #9
                  sorry, it has been a while since I presented my boat to the forum :)

                  http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...732#post522732

                  according to the manual of the Tx and Rx, the failsafe is programmed in the Tx an natively the Rx doesn't have any failsafe. I don't know if the T180A have this feature of putting the ESC back to neutral when loosing signal.
                  Another thing I tested: a friend of mine has a FSTG3B and we put the Rx in the hull without relocating the antenna outside the hull: I got more range with that Tx then with mine...

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                  • tlandauer
                    Fast Electric Addict!
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 5666

                    #10
                    Originally posted by webdesaster
                    sorry, it has been a while since I presented my boat to the forum :)

                    http://forums.offshoreelectrics.com/...732#post522732

                    according to the manual of the Tx and Rx, the failsafe is programmed in the Tx an natively the Rx doesn't have any failsafe. I don't know if the T180A have this feature of putting the ESC back to neutral when loosing signal.
                    Another thing I tested: a friend of mine has a FSTG3B and we put the Rx in the hull without relocating the antenna outside the hull: I got more range with that Tx then with mine...

                    This is true: FlySkyGT3B has proven ( in my case) to have the longest range. Compared to Tactic and Spektrum ( both MR200 and MR3000). But you will start another long debate about cheap radio vs. Known brand radio . I have always maintained that on the GT3B you do have a rough servo action, the resolution is low and Latency is slow, those are plain facts. Others would say that the radio had failed on them, I have no reason to NOT believe them, in my case it worked everytime. But I would not put that radio in a $2000 boat. Human nature, I like to think I get what I paid for, whether it is true or not in this case.
                    You can verify if you have proper fail-safe programed or not by running the throttle ( part throttle for only a few seconds) and switch off your tansmitter, the motors should stop right away. While I don't recommand bench testing/running the motor, this is one way to make sure you have the fail-safe on. Don't forget to disconnect your flex cable from your motor's collet when doing so.
                    Too many boats, not enough time...

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                    • gsbuickman
                      Fast Electric Addict!
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 1292

                      #11
                      It seems like there is not a 100% guaranteed boat radio out there, cause everyone has had a problem with every radio at 1 point in time or another. Each location is different I guess. The top 5 radios you'll see here are probably spekky, futaba, airtronics, tactic & flysky.

                      If you want to try flysky, go with the fs-gt3 (dsss) or the green fs-gt3c. The orange model has a power button issue solved on the green model. I don't reccomend the gt3b even though a lot of people like it. It has a faulty firmware so the epa & trims don't work.

                      www.overkillrc.com sells the b model with flashed firmware if you want to look.....

                      At the moment I am running the airtronics m11 w/ a spekky module, and the tower hobbies 2.4, but I have used a lil' of everything .

                      Btw, have you seen the Airtronics MX-V ?. Its just under $100 & comes with a marine reciever.



                      At this price with all the features. Its the best rx/tx you can buy for just under $100. I'd take it over a flysky any day .....

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                      • webdesaster
                        Junior Member
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 22

                        #12
                        I don't want to start a debate which radio is better, I just want to try to resolve my problem... Well I ordered a life rx battery pack in order to try out what happens. I also will try your failsafe test ;-)
                        In my eyes it is just strange that I loos connection with the boat not so far away. Yesterday I lost it at about 150 meters...

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                        • tlandauer
                          Fast Electric Addict!
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 5666

                          #13
                          I was joking about the debate ( it happened so many times that I think by now people are tired of the topic ). I love your boat! I ask only to satisfy my own curiosity: In the picture you were using a MR200? Was that the receiver giving you trouble? You should have been ok with one antenna running outside ( per Spektrum 's recommendation= longer one out and the shorter one horizontal inside).
                          I am no expert on these radios but because I was part of the "debate", I read that as long as the user follows the instruction on these marine receivers, there should be no issue. I am not saying that you did something wrong, I am just curious as to which receiver you were referring to in post #1.
                          Too many boats, not enough time...

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                          • webdesaster
                            Junior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 22

                            #14
                            I used to have a mr200 now I changed to the airtronics mt4 with a rx461 receiver, but still got the same issue

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                            • gsbuickman
                              Fast Electric Addict!
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 1292

                              #15
                              Airtronics RX-371W
                              This is an Airtronics RX-371W 3-Channel 2.4G FHSS-2 Waterproof Receiver. The new RX-371W is a small lightweight receiver that is compatible with all Airtronics 2.4G FHSS-2 frequency modulation surface transmitters. This receiver is waterproof and works equally well in cars, trucks and boats, and is a great way to go if you don't need more than three channels. The receiver has a nominal input voltage up to 7.4 volts, so you can power the receiver with a 2S LiPo battery and use high-voltage servos.

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